Chicken Paws?

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Real Estate Agent with Jennifer Allan, Inc.

For Dog Lovers Only....

I"m considering putting my dogs on a BARF diet (BARF = Bones and Raw Food). For many reasons, but the practical one is that we just moved from a home on four acres to a home on 4620 sqft and, well, dog poop is accumulating very quickly! I've heard that on a BARF diet, there isn't really much poop to deal with and what there is pretty much evaporates. TMI? Oh well...

Okay, so I'm in Super Wal-Mart today, looking for suitable BARF food and I see something called Chicken Paws. Uh, yeah, it's chicken feet, toenails and all! But it's only $.83, so I figure, why not? I think the pups would like them - they'll eat anything!

I was kind of embarrassed checking out with my chicken feet, but the checkout lady didn't bat an eye, so what do I know?

Well, the dogs love their chicken paws.

Anyone else doing BARF?

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Rainer
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Jennifer Allan
Jennifer Allan, Inc. - Denver, CO

Gayle - I will look up EVO. Thanks!

Karen & Inna - Yeah, when I read the ingredients on the majority of dog food bags, i'm horrified. Baba can't eat store-brand kibble - her poor little tummy swells up to twice its size and until she vomits, she can barely move. For convenience, I've been feeding them a very expensive organic kibble for the last few months that has ZERO fillers, but now with the poop thing... Besides, I don't think that dogs should be forced to eat the same thing day after day - they need variety just like we do! When you read about how dog food came to be, it makes ya think....

Jan 25, 2008 06:26 PM #7
Rainmaker
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Karen Rice
Davis R. Chant, REALTORS - Hawley, PA
Northeast PA & Lake Wallenpaupack Home Sales

Do I even want to click that link....I usually don't like stories that tell "how stuff was first made."  LOL

I read somewhere that mascara was invented by a pharmacist, who created it for his sister.  It was made up of petroleum jelly (vaseline) and of all things...soot.

His sister's name was Mabel, and thus, he named it Mabelline.  Don't know if it's an urban legend or not...but I have a feeling that it's a much more pleasant story than the dog food one... 

Thanks Jenn - I suspected as much about the dog food.  As I said, it just never occurred to me to put Mindy on a BARF diet.  I'm going to investigate it further. 

Jan 25, 2008 10:06 PM #8
Rainmaker
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Jennifer Allan-Hagedorn
Sell with Soul - Pensacola Beach, FL
Author of Sell with Soul
Day Two on the BARF diet... so far so good. Pups had turkey necks for breakfast - met with their full approval - and canned salmon and a turkey neck for dinner. Haven't checked out the poop situation, but they're definitely drinking less water. Which makes sense since pure meat has a higher water content than kibble...
Jan 26, 2008 11:29 AM #9
Rainer
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Terry Haugen STAGE it RIGHT! 321-956-2495
Stage it Right! - Melbourne, FL
Jennifer, have you researched giving bones to dogs?  If they splinter they can lodge in their intestines, causing peritonitis and eventual very painful death.  Even knuckle bones, which are considered safe. I would never ever give my dogs any kind of bones, nor chicken feet or turkey necks.  This coming from personal experience.  My mother lost two dogs as a result of feeding them bones.  As for dogs eating their or other dogs poop, it is a throw back to prehistoric days when they would do that to survive.  Coyotes still do that when food is scarce.  Adding MSG (Accent) to the food will take care of that problem.
Jan 27, 2008 08:53 AM #10
Rainer
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Jennifer Allan
Jennifer Allan, Inc. - Denver, CO
Terry - from what I've heard, uncooked bones don't splinter - it's the cooked ones that are dangerous. Dogs in the wild eat raw bones, don't they?
Jan 27, 2008 09:04 AM #11
Rainer
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Terry Haugen STAGE it RIGHT! 321-956-2495
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Jennifer, my mother fed uncooked knuckle bones to her dogs, as she had read they were safe.  Dogs in the wild, as in truely wild dogs, are no longer related genetically to our domesticated dogs.  When we took them in, over the course of thousands of years, we have bred out their ability to digest certain foods.  As for the chicken feet, years ago when I was doing humane work, a dog was found with his paw in his in his mouth.  He had gotten into chicken bones and one lodged in his throat.  In a desperate attempt to dislodge it he tried putting his paw down his throat to pull it out.  It didn't work and he died.  I would imagine chicken feet with the claws would be another kind of deadly bone no dog should have.
Jan 27, 2008 01:26 PM #12
Rainmaker
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Karen Rice
Davis R. Chant, REALTORS - Hawley, PA
Northeast PA & Lake Wallenpaupack Home Sales

I need to chime in and say that I would be afraid of the chicken paws as well. :/

"When we took them in, over the course of thousands of years, we have bred out their ability to digest certain foods. "

This part - well, that's kind of hard to prove and sounds to me like it's something put out by pet food manufacturers.  Especially considering that "pet foods" are pretty recent in the food chain for dogs and cats.  From what I understand, these manufactures often send representatives to lecture veterinary students on pet nutrition.

That's like sending the fox to teach you about hen house security, imho.  LOL 

 

Jan 27, 2008 01:54 PM #13
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Roberta LaRocca
Simply Vegas Real Estate - Las Vegas, NV
REALTORĀ®, Broker, Salesperson, Property Management
Jennifer, Chicken paws??  Doesn't sound appealing to me but I guess the dogs like it!
Jan 27, 2008 03:56 PM #14
Rainmaker
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Jennifer Allan-Hagedorn
Sell with Soul - Pensacola Beach, FL
Author of Sell with Soul

I agree about the pet food manufacturers propoganda. I'm rather hostile about the whole dog food industry, but that's a topic that can generate almost as much uncomfortable debate as abortion. Personally, I think commercial kibble is probably way more dangerous to our darling dogs' health than raw bones might be. I certainly know what happens to ME when I eat wheat or soy and it's miserable.

I do feed the dogs canned salmon and mackeral quite a bit and I think it's very good for them. I'll check out that Evo stuff, too.

Jan 27, 2008 10:34 PM #15
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Jennifer Esposito
JenRan Realty, LLC - Woodstock, CT

I'm not sure the dogs get any nutrition out of chicken feet.  Have the feet been sterilized?  So many pet food companies aren't using beaks, feet, and feathers I guess the 'farmers' have to sell the parts somehow.  Personally, the stuff I've seen Wal-Mart peddling for pets will never find it's way to my dogs.  Real bones may or may not splinter (depends on the bone type/size and type of dog) but have been known to wear down a dogs teeth.

I stopped buying all Iams products when I read that a kitten was washed down the drain at their facility. 

To Jennifer A. and everyone-if your dog eats and his abdomen immediately swells-could be bloat, get to a vet!

Jan 28, 2008 06:37 AM #16
Rainmaker
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Jennifer Allan-Hagedorn
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Jennifer - actually, I agree about Wal-Mart. I don't eat the meat there because it has a lot of additives that make me sick. I probably won't do the chicken paws thing again, but it was kind of a novelty.
Jan 28, 2008 06:25 PM #17
Rainmaker
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Jennifer Allan-Hagedorn
Sell with Soul - Pensacola Beach, FL
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Poop Report... I went out into the yard today to check out the poop situation and it's much improved, as these things go. It's been several days since I went scooping and I didn't see much at all! Today, we're having hamburger and chicken livers, with a few chicken wings thrown in. Happy dogs, Happy mom.
Jan 29, 2008 12:25 PM #18
Rainer
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Jennifer Allan
Jennifer Allan, Inc. - Denver, CO

Updated poop report from Denver. For the first time since my entry above (2 months ago), I picked up poop in my back yard. Yep, this BARFing thing works. Took me all of five minutes - there was hardly anything there!

Mar 26, 2008 08:49 AM #19
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Gayle Balaban
The Best Spot Realty/Waterfront Real Estate/Ooltewah Real E - Chattanooga, TN
E. TN Waterfront Real Estate
Just in case you cannot keep up the raw thing, EVO is a food that is just asclose to rw as possible to raw in a commercial food.
Mar 26, 2008 03:03 PM #20
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Alexandra Fletcher
Vancouver, BC

Jennifer, out of curiosity does their breath seem better or worse from the raw food? I found the raw diet was too rich for my dogs, they wouldn't stop licking their paws the entire time they were on it and haven't touched them since I switched back to dry. Another note for anyone looking to improve their dogs coat or skin irritations we add Spirulina (a herbal powder bought at the health food store) to each serving and you wouldn't believe the shine and softness! Flax seed oil is also fantastic for short hair dogs like my sisters American Staffordshire.

Cheers, Emily~Celebrate Staging, Vancouver, BC

Mar 27, 2008 07:27 AM #21
Rainmaker
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Jennifer Allan-Hagedorn
Sell with Soul - Pensacola Beach, FL
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Interesting - my dachshund's breath is awful - the puppies' is fine. Did yours get better or worse?
Mar 27, 2008 07:33 AM #22
Rainmaker
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Jennifer Allan-Hagedorn
Sell with Soul - Pensacola Beach, FL
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Update on the BARF diet...

A few days ago, I ran out of BARF food and dug out my emergency stash of organic kibble I used to feed the girls. They got kibble for just two meals - dinner and breakfast.

Observations:

1.  Huge increase in poop volume

2.  The dogs were incredibly thirsty for the next two days. On the BARF diet, they rarely drink - I'm told it's because they get plenty of fluid naturally from the food. I normally fill up the water bowl every few days, but after they ate the kibble, I filled it up every few HOURS.

3.  The dogs were also incredibly lethargic; I wondered if they were sick until I remembered about the change back to kibble. They're back to normal again now.

Jun 13, 2008 01:26 AM #23
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Hello, so, can they eat chicken feet? I thought if the dogs eat raw foods, they get used to it so they will want to attack you? I thought that cooked bones weaken dog bones..

 

And can they eat chocolate?  

Oct 23, 2008 02:57 PM #24
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Jennifer

Hi! I don't know you, but I found this post when I Googled BARF-chicken feet, as folks in my raw feeding group on Dogster rave about them....I recently started feeding them, and oh, my gosh, do the "kids" love them! Chicken Feet are a wonderful natural source of Glucosamine/Chondroitin....

The dogs just look gross eating them with those chicken "fingers" hanging out of their mouthes!!!

There is a great forum on Dogster.com called "Raw Feeding." It is full of info on this sort of stuff.

Nov 10, 2008 11:41 AM #25
Rainmaker
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Jennifer Allan-Hagedorn
Sell with Soul - Pensacola Beach, FL
Author of Sell with Soul

Thanks for the comment! I haven't fed them the chicken paws in awhile, but now maybe I'll go get them some!! And thanks for the link to Dogster - I'll check it out.

 

Nov 10, 2008 10:03 PM #26
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