Loosing your grip in the attic. Is there a better way?

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Home Inspector with Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections 10072923

Loosing your grip in the attic. Is there a better way?

There I was in an attic at a recent home inspection and the insulation was waving at me.

At desert sun Home inspections we really try hard to find everything we can when it comes to inspecting every part of the home that's accessible for review and inspection.

When I entered this attic in a home built in 2010 and yes this is the rental home of the builder that had not sold it. We can't blame these issues on the renters. These are issues that are one unto them selves.

Remember everything is "out of sight and out of mind, till the inspector shows up to inspect the home".

When inspection the attic on this home I did find a lot of insulation falling from the joists.

Attic insulation falling down.

As you can see when you look back further and further in the attic, there is the same problem deep in the attic.

Hanging insulation in attic.

Here we have more of the same. The contractor tried to use staples to install the insulation but the staples had failed.

Loose attic insulation.

I have never been a fan of a double insulated attic.

And the stapling of the batts that are going to be hanging there upside down.

My install would have used insulation supports or strapping for the supports.

Do you have a better way of installing insulation in the attics? Let me know and leave a comment please.

Have a great day everyone.

 

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Clint  McKie

Owner of Desert Sun Home Inspections Carlsbad, New Mexico. Eddy County's only certified home inspection service WITH OVER 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE. Serving all of South East New Mexico. We inspect the homes entire structure from the roof to the foundation, and everything in between. Most reports within 4-24 hours from time of inspection completion. We issue a PDF report with pictures Starting at $250.00 for each home inspection. Why settle for less when you can have the best?

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Rainmaker
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Rob Ernst
Certified Structure Inspector - Reno, NV
Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor

When they install the insulation like that do they not ventilate the roof? When I see insulation falling it leads me to begin to suspect that it is gaining weight from moisture. Also paper faced insulation should never be exposed and should be covered. That is usually printed right on the paper.

Dec 05, 2012 10:55 PM #13
Rainmaker
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Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
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Another good reason to use a thorough inspector.

Dec 06, 2012 03:44 AM #14
Rainmaker
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Jim Patton
Aspire Home Real Estate 209-404-0816 - Modesto, CA
Realtor - Stanislaus ,Merced, San Joaquin Counties

Of course support rods would have cost the builder more money.   Maybe that's why they were stapled into place. 

Dec 06, 2012 04:02 AM #15
Rainer
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Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Strapping is the way to go. (Also called furring in some areas.) But if you are not putting in 6 to 8" deep batts and doing a full polyethylene vapour barrier (covered with drywall), you are wasting your time and the materials.

Dec 06, 2012 08:14 AM #16
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Gravity works!  Another check, proving the point.  But, hey, at least they got the vapor retarder on the right side!

Dec 06, 2012 09:15 AM #17
Rainer
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John J. Woods
Big Dog Press, LLC - Winder, GA
Going where no man has gone before - wouldn't you?

 

   I don't know if the insulation was installed correctly in the first place or what the local requirements are, but I've frequently had the HVAC contractor's workers pull it out of their way or punch rough holes through it so they can do their work if they got in after the insulator.  Their attitude is usually that they're not supposed to put it back like they found it -- that's the insulators job!  I noticed there was ductwork in each of your pictures.

   The opposite frequently happens in tight areas like these if the insulator comes in after the HVAC crew -- you end up with crushed ductwork and disconnected fittings.  'That's not my job' and 'it was in the way' are usually the Insulator's comments.  It's a constant battle, especially in tight areas where the laborers don't think anybody (like the building inspector or contractor) will get back in there and notice it.

 

Dec 06, 2012 12:24 PM #18
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Wayne,

Attention to detail and longevity would go a long way for this job.

Have a great day in Fort Myers.

Best, Clint McKie

Dec 06, 2012 08:57 PM #19
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hello Michael,

Yes this is a major issue in this attic. Not enough support and wanting to cut corners too much. Contractors want the cheapest way of doing things.

Now you can see the results.

Have a great day. And thanks for the comment.

Best, Clint McKie

Dec 06, 2012 09:00 PM #20
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Toni,

It was a surprise to me. 

Thanks for stopping by and have a really good weekend.

Best, Clint McKie

Dec 06, 2012 09:01 PM #21
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Thank you Adrian,

Just trying to pass on the latest in the "Inspectors Diaries". :-)

Have a a good weekend in Seattle, try and stay dry my friend.

Best, Clint McKie

Dec 06, 2012 09:04 PM #22
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Tom,

So am I . They are called all  sorts of names like Insulation supports and Tiger teeth.

Have a good day in Sacramento.

 Best, Clint McKie

Dec 06, 2012 09:06 PM #23
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Richey,

"A true measure of a person is what they do when they don't think they are being watched".

Or their work will never be inspected.

Have a great day my friend.

Best, Clint McKie

Dec 06, 2012 09:09 PM #24
Rainmaker
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James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

I would have to think that installing two independant layers of insulation and an exposed vapor barrier is just plain wrong. 

Dec 06, 2012 09:10 PM #25
Rainmaker
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James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR
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Morning Clint I don't see anything that a couple of strips of good old duct tape wouldn't fix.  :~).  How is the new job going? 

Dec 06, 2012 09:16 PM #26
Rainmaker
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Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

Thanks, Clint, for sharing your photographs.  More very good reasons for a professional home inspection.

You should offer home inspector classes for first time buyers.  Use your photographs.  Then, you would have the prospects to feed to agents that will support you.

Enjoy the holidays with your camera in hand. You will want to share the special moments.

Dec 06, 2012 09:51 PM #27
Rainmaker
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Patricia Feager, MBA, CRS, GRI,MRP
DFW FINE PROPERTIES - Flower Mound, TX
Selling Homes Changing Lives

Clint,

I get angry when I see photos like that. This looks like a classic example of how people are getting ripped off by contractors who do work in the attic and the homeowner doesn't know that their work was incompetent. I can't blame the homeowners if it was the work of a contractor, because it may be that the owners couldn't get up into their attics and they trusted the work to be done correctly.

Unfortunately, all of this comes out in the wash when a home is inspected, long after the person who did the work is probably gone. But if the owner is responsible for doing work like that, they need to replace that insulation and do the right thing. No buyer should have to accept an attic like that.

Thanks Clint!

Dec 07, 2012 03:23 AM #28
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi James,

It is and I did mention it in the report. Only the top and bottom of the layers were there. No exterior wall or interior inverted wall insulation in the attic either.

What a mess.

Have a very good day in Massachusetts.

Best, Clint McKie

Dec 07, 2012 09:22 PM #29
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi James,

Job going very well.

The duct tape would not hold due to the temps in the attic reaching unbearable amounts LOL

Have a good day on the links in Rogers my friend.

Best, Clint McKie

Dec 07, 2012 09:24 PM #30
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Roy,

I tried this once and did'nt have a response. I got two calls and they wanted to know what home I was selling. OY.....

Thanks for the comment and have a great day in Virginia.

Best, Clint McKie

Dec 07, 2012 09:27 PM #31
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Patricia,

I totally agree with you. The builder is still here and building. But not like this home. He went back to the conventional homes with pitched roofs.

i don't like it and all this was in the report. I hope the builder is not mad at me. LOL

Have a great day and weekend in Flower Mound Texas.

Best, Clint McKie

Dec 07, 2012 09:29 PM #32
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