It Wasn't Exactly Unhinged, But Their Thinking Wasn't Complete

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

Coming in from the garage I looked at the door and it wasn't exactly unhinged, but their thinking wasn't complete.

This happened to be new construction, but I have seen it on older homes as well.

Door manufacturers sometimes ship their doors with only a couple of screws in the hinges. 

Then they include a pack of screws for the installer to finish the job.

All the door installer has to do it fit it into position, shim and plumb it, and secure it to the framing.

Notice the hole on the left side of the hinge.  It is intentionally left without a screw.

Why?  Sometimes they include one for this hole and sometimes not.  But that hole is for a long screw to be used to secure the door strongly into the double stud in the framing.

I OFTEN SEE THIS HOLE LEFT UNATTENDED.

But on this house they forgot the rest of the screws too!

No matter.  The door is usually closed nobody will notice.

I am going to bet it was more basic than this.  None of the hinges had more than one screw!  And I don't think they were forgotten.  I think the installer simply did not know.

This sort of thing is happening more and more.  The word "PROFESSIONALISM" is missing from so many trades these days.

I THINK THE TRADES ARE BECOMING UNHINGED AND UNTRUSTWORTHY IN MANY REGARDS, BUT ESPECIALLY IN NEW CONSTRUCTION.

AND IT IS A SHAME.

My recommendation:  if it's true that people simply don't think things like this will be discovered, that is all the more reason to hire a professional home inspector to look around.  People ask me what the most common things are that we find on new construction inspections.  The answer it that it's everything - nothing is common!  Every inspection is different.

 

 

 

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Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


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Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I have seen that one screw ONLY into the drywall Wallace!  It's a great job!

Lenn - certainly you are right, but this stuff is so frequent that I am believing it stems from ignorance.  You know my sarcastic word - 7-11 Construction.

Dec 10, 2012 07:19 PM #3
Rainmaker
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Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Thanks for sharing. It is important to have a good home inspector to check out these things.

Dec 10, 2012 07:21 PM #4
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Liz and Bill Spear
RE/MAX Elite 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
RE/MAX Elite Warren County OH (Cincinnati/Dayton)

Jay, You'd expect that one to just be common sense wouldn't you?  Like one screw per hinge is enough to fully support the door?  Wow....

Dec 10, 2012 07:23 PM #5
Rainmaker
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Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
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Yeah, that doesn't look secure at all.  Sounds like 2 mistakes - the one who didn't add the screws and then the supervisor that didn't check.

Dec 10, 2012 07:24 PM #6
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Glad you stopped by again Gita!  Don't stop.

Bliz - you are right, just a couple of drywall screws in there an all's well!  (maybe not...)

Debbie - exactly.  This is the company that would not let me come until after they had their final walk through with the buyer because "that's when they make sure the house is perfect."  Ummm.

Dec 10, 2012 07:30 PM #7
Rainmaker
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James Dray
Fathom Realty AR LLC - Bentonville, AR
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Jay that would get me to wondering if they left a few screws out what else did they not do.  It would make me look all the more who knows what you'll find.

Dec 10, 2012 07:43 PM #8
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

They left out a lot James!  I was there for a while.  They wanted it "perfect."

Dec 10, 2012 07:45 PM #9
Rainmaker
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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
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Hi Jay,

Where is the Quality control supervisor on this home. Like mine they were probably asleep at home when the door was hung and presumed it was done correctly.

Good find my friend in Bristow, Virginia.

Best, Clint McKie 

Dec 10, 2012 08:57 PM #10
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

He was at 7-11 stuffing his facage Clint.

Dec 10, 2012 08:59 PM #11
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Fred Hernden, CMI
Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area - Albuquerque, NM
Albuquerque area Master Inspector

You hit it right on the head when you said the installer simply didn't know. Another example of a contractor or sub using unqualified workers to save money. Good catch Jay, you are right, most people don't look at the screws in the hinges... if the door opens and closes, it's good to go!

Dec 10, 2012 09:09 PM #12
Rainmaker
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Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
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who would think something as basic as a hinge...needed an instruction/installation manual....

Dec 10, 2012 09:29 PM #13
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You have to check so much stuff nowadays, Fred, it makes inspections really hard to do!

S&D - if there is an instruction manual, it is likely they can't read or understand it.

Dec 10, 2012 09:43 PM #14
Rainmaker
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Than Maynard
Coldwell Banker Heart of Oklahoma - Purcell, OK
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Been in my home 8 years (custom built it when I was still building). Was closing my son's closet door the other day and it was 'loose'. Thought to myself "I need to tighten the screws in the hinges. Fix that in a jiffy." Turns out there were only 2 screws per hinge.

Now it was the painter that took the hinges off and didn't put them all back, because th ehinges had been attached at one point, since the holes were there. Little things that make you want to scream.

Dec 10, 2012 10:25 PM #15
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Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Jay -- but that looks to be the middle hinge, and its not that important, after all the top and bottom hinges do all the work, don't they?  lol

Dec 11, 2012 03:01 AM #16
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Jim Patton
Century 21 M&M - 209-404-0816 - Turlock, CA
Realtor - Stanislaus & Merced county Realtor.

So they saved money on screws and labor costs so they could pass the savings onto the new homeowner...  Ok, I think you are right, just incompetent. 

Dec 11, 2012 05:24 AM #17
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

String him up Than!  It's funny the things we notice later, and they can really bug us!

Steven - 'tis the top hinge, 'tis.  It's an optical illusion caused by the photographer.

Jim - that or pass those savings on to the Christmas bonuses!

Dec 11, 2012 05:38 AM #18
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Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Take another look at the hinge in that photo. It's wrong. The height is ok but the leaf is too wide for the thickness of the door. That means the hinge pin is held out into the room by about half an inch. That means there has to be a fairly wide gap or a very sharp bevel on the strike edge (handle side) of the door. (Or the door wil stick and jamb in the frame.)

Thats a cheap product with a 'one size fits all' hinge. It even has two extra holes for when its mounted on a wider face (thicker door). It's an indicator of low quality.

 

Dec 11, 2012 07:27 AM #19
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It is low quality Robert, and they are paying big bucks for the house!  I don't know if it's the manufacturer's hinge or not, but overall I wasn't impressed!

Dec 11, 2012 07:30 AM #20
Rainmaker
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James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Seems like a simple thing to remember. I have to think the contractors were using the door daily.

Dec 13, 2012 09:56 PM #21
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I wonder sometimes if people see something enough times they think that's the way it is supposed to be Jim.

Dec 13, 2012 10:05 PM #22
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