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Mayday Mayday---May 1st is not coming afterall!

By
Home Inspector with Charles Buell Inspections Inc.

 

***It has come to my attention that the Department of Energy has withdrawn the new standard for heating and cooling equipment installation.

The following post reflects my view of the topic (orginally published before being made aware of the change) and that it still is a good idea for consumers, when it is time for them to replace their older furnaces, to replace them with high efficiency type furnaces.  The original post has been edited to make sense in relation to this about-face by the DOE.***

old furnaceAs we rapidly approach May 1st, 2013, there is more and more discussion about the Department of Energy’s new standard for heating and cooling equipment installation (now unfortunately withdrawn and taken back to the drawing board).  While roughly based on region it is more accurately defined by state.  The most affected states are the ones with the higher heating loads—-above 5000 HDD (heating degree days).

Would anyone seriously want to go back to this old beauty?

The requirement was an attempt to deal with the long term energy future of the United States.  The requirement for the affected Northern States is to install or replace furnaces (when replacement becomes necessary) with an efficiency rating of 90% or above.  This essentially would have eliminated the common mid-efficiency type furnaces prevalent in these states.  See this link to see if your state is included.

Most of the backlash I am hearing, regarding this change, is related to replacement of furnaces as opposed to installation of furnaces in new construction.  In new construction installation can be easily planned for.  In older homes it may prove difficult to get the venting for the new equipment to a proper location as well as it may be difficult to route condensate drains to proper locations.

If the existing furnace shares a flue with a water heater, the removal of the furnace from the venting system may leave the vent over-sized for the water heater.  Replacement of the furnace thus may result in replacement of the water heater or may require re-lining of the vent for the water heater.

HVAC contractors have been relining chimneys for mid-efficiency furnaces for years, therefore I do not see this as a major concern, but it is something that must be factored into the overall replacement cost of the furnace.

One aspect that I do not hear talked about is that there is a little savings in the fact that a b-vent type chimney will not be necessary at all.  There are many options for the venting of a high efficiency furnaces that might allow for eliminating the need for b-vents and/or masonry chimneys altogether.  In new construction this is a no-brainer.

It is my experience that a huge percentage of b-vent chimneys should be replaced when the furnace is replaced and yet they rarely are.  The cost of this replacement should be factored into the cost of that new mid-efficiency furnace but rarely is.b-vent

Would anyone question whether this b-vent should have been replaced to better serve the one year old furnace?

While it is unfortunate that there are home designs where complying with the new regulations may be difficult, the dwindling supply of energy unfortunately could not foresee these poor designs. 

In the vast majority of cases, installation of a high-efficiency furnace should be relatively straight forward.

As modern homes become tighter and tighter, these high efficiency furnaces, that can bring in their own combustion/dilution air from the exterior and then exhaust the combustion gases to the exterior, will assist in maintaining better indoor air quality.  There is energy savings in the fact that the furnace will no longer be using heated house air to sustain the furnace.

In modern homes we are headed to a time when no gas appliance will likely be allowed to get its combustion/dilution air from the interior of the home.  In all likelihood, in time, this may even include your gas cook stove.

 

By Charles Buell, Real Estate Inspections in Seattle

 

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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Hey, wait!  I saw a post just this morning by some guy who says the standards ARE starting here soon!

So which is it?

Do I get my light bulbs back too?

 

 

;>)

 

Still, as I said to you privately, I enjoyed your original post!

Feb 12, 2013 03:14 AM
Carla Harbert
Full Time REALTOR in Ohio - Brunswick, OH
RE/MAX Omega, Brunswick Ohio

We have many many homes here with those old systems and today's buyers try to negotiate with the owner's to get these systems updated. Good to know

Feb 12, 2013 05:08 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

My concern is air quality.  Good air quality costs money.  I'm willing to pay more for heat if the air is not like breathing in a paper bag.

Feb 12, 2013 05:35 AM
Francine Viola
Coldwell Banker Evergreen Olympic Realty, Olympia WA - Olympia, WA
REALTOR®, In Tune with your Real Estate Needs

Wow - this is good to know.  The only reason why I knew of this coming (sorry, I missed your original post!) was that I had to have my own furnace replaced and was told that as of May 1, all furnaces would have be high efficient furnaces.  I have been noticing for at least the past 6 months or more that new constuction had 90+% efficient furnaces already installed and was impressed.  Interesting to see what will happen later this year and if builders will go back to their 80% efficient furnaces.

Feb 12, 2013 06:32 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Here in the Montreal area and in Quebec in general the trend is away from fuel combustion and into fully electrical powered systems. Not altoghther unreasonable that is a big hydro electric producer.

New construction has to include air exchangers (HRVs) as electric heaters and heat pumps do not cause fresh air to be drawn into the home like fuel burning systems did.

Feb 12, 2013 06:45 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jay, sorry---you don't get your light bulbs back---the light bulb lobby didn't whine loud enough :)

Carla, if the system is functioning and not due for replacement, it would be hard to get the sellers do do anything about their heating system I would think

Lenn, one of the big pushes for air quality is to get the combustion appliances out of the living space.  These 90+ furnaces can do that.  There are of course a lot of other factors.

Francine, I know---I have been advising clients about this coming May 1st for over a year and now it isn't coming after all :)

Robert, I like the HRV's and ERV's but my fear is that homeowners aren't educated in how to maintain them properly and then they become worse than none at all.

Feb 12, 2013 08:16 AM
Christina Sanchez Hood
Palo Alto, CA
#SiliconValleyHOODS | Inspired Living

Charles, I find your posts so informative.  Thank you for providing us with this great information to help us with our businesses.  May it bring you more business :)

Feb 12, 2013 09:30 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

Charles -- I actually saw a furnace like this in a home.  I had no idea what it was at first.  It was really scarey.  I hope that new relgulations will make sense.  You will have to keep us updated.

Feb 12, 2013 10:55 AM
Rob Ernst
Certified Structure Inspector - Reno, NV
Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor

As someone who deals with Energy savings on a regular basis I know the benefits of a high efficient furnace. The prices of high efficient furnaces and the installation is coming down. Some contractors are charging a premium and capitalizing on the popularity of "going green" so look for another one that doesn't. We import allot of heating fuel from out of the state here and out of the country. People expect better gas mileage out of their cars but their furnace is burning fuel like an 80's clunker.

Feb 12, 2013 12:06 PM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

I agree with your observations on HRV's and ERV's. I've even seen them paired up with kitchen and bathroom exhaust fans. Not a good marriage.

Feb 12, 2013 12:14 PM
Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Charles, imagine that!  Somethimes there are things that government entities think are a good idea that just, well, are!  Even it they say we don't gotta.

Feb 12, 2013 01:08 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Christina, glad you find them useful.

Joan, they are a bit like fire breathing dragons :)

Rob, it is interesting isn't it?

Robert, that sounds bad :)

Patricia, I think this is a case where special interests have pushed hard enough to hold us back as a country---short sighted and selfish in my opinion.

Feb 12, 2013 02:00 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Charlie, that is too bad. Looks like someone had a bit of lobbing power.

Feb 13, 2013 10:12 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Don, that would be my guess.

Feb 13, 2013 12:35 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Since the technology exists to make furnaces, HP and A/C systems highly efficient, why sell anything but? If manufactures made less variety, the costs of production would likely fall and thus the cost to the consumer. The other part of the equation in retro fits is the house itself. Well insulated houses require smaller systems. When I installed my high efficiency boiler last year, I was able to install a unit that was over 40K btus smaller that the original boiler. Which brings up another issue, the regular practice of over sizing systems. There is immense room for improvement in how we use energy in our homes. 

Feb 14, 2013 12:56 AM