Sounds like it's a really good deal, right? Ahhh...No...I would run

By
Home Builder with The Flooring Girl

I was in shock yesterday when I went to an appointment for Refinishing hardwood floors in Westchester.  My customer seemed nice, and he was asking the right questions (e.g. water based vs oil based poly, what sheen level to use, etc).  He had checked out our online reviews, too.

 

refinish hardwood floors westchester countyI gave my estimate, and he said that sounded high.  This is not the typical response I get.  Usually, I hear, "That sounds reasonable."  Most of my customers get 3 estimates and I probably win around 60% of the jobs.  Yes, there are times where someone does come in lower...but usually, when this happens, it's usually around 10% lower, but it's still fairly close.

 

I was in shock yesterday, when he shared the other estimate which was 60% lower than mine!  Yes, 60%.  He swears it includes furniture move, which I don't believe.  Then, I look at the square footage...which of course is wrong.  It's off by 16%.  Out of a reflex, I asked if he was really going to give this to a contractor that can't even properly measure his floors.  He then told me that he even had another estimate that was lower than that.

 

I was shocked and explained that there is something wrong with that estimate, and I would be very cautious.  I explained that we are reasonably priced and tend to be on the lower end for our area.  He said, "They gave me a good deal, right?"...I almost choked and I said, "No, I would run.  If they gave you an estimate that was 20% lower, then I would say, yes it might be a good deal, but this is a disaster waiting to happen."  I explained how I had 2 customers that each had their floors refinished 3 times before calling me...and one had to replace the floors, that's how bad they were.

 

hardwood flooring refinishing westchester countyI explained that I'm sure he is not getting good quality and prob. only 1 coat of poly, and a whole slew of things, but he didn't seem to believe me...because he has 2 insane estimates (and of course no written contract).  He can't even remember the names of the companies.  He said he found them online and they are not from our county.  He showed me one (so I'll be calling them today...simply because I'm curious).  He also said they called and said they could start tomorrow.  I almost gagged again.  I said, if they are available tomorrow, they must be desperate, and that's another red flag.  He then said, but now is a slow time.  I corrected him and told him that we are VERY busy...and that this week (as it is vacation week) is one of the busiest weeks. 

 

I wished him luck.  It was clear he wasn't going to use us, and that's fine.  We are busy and we have many customers that care about quality and value.  I suggested he get 2 other estimates, and not use either of the two he called.  I think he'll be really sorry if he does.

 

If you're looking for a Westchester Flooring Contractor that is reliable and has many happy customers, give The Flooring Girl a call at 914-937-2950.

Comments (115)

Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • Green • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

In my country they say: '' cheap people pay twice''.

You always can find someone whose price is very affordable, but when they finish and you see the results~ this is when one  realizes why the price was that low.

You get what you pay for~ Period!

Feb 20, 2013 03:58 AM
Mark Puett
Coldwell Banker - The Property Exchange - Cheyenne, WY
Mark Puett - Cheyenne, WY

Zig Zglar used to say "If you don't have the time(money) to do it right the FIRST TIME.

How are you going to find the time(money) to do it over?"

 

He was a very wise man, God rest his soul.

Feb 20, 2013 03:59 AM
Pete Xavier
Investments to Luxury - Pacific Palisades, CA
Outstanding Agent Referrals-Nationwide
Love this post and responses, especially #96 and #97, cheap people do pay twice.
Feb 20, 2013 04:02 AM
Paddy Deighan MBA JD PhD
federalfinanciallawgroup.com - Vail, CO
Paddy Deighan J.D. Ph.D

I always advise people to run froim an estimate that is substantually less than others...something is invariably wrong!! Yo handled this with aplomb!!

Feb 20, 2013 05:38 AM
Deleted Account
Fort Myers, FL

If a price sounds to good to be true, it usually is.  In this case, they may end up ruining the floors beyond repair.  I have a suggestion, ask the customer to call them and have them talk to you without them knowing who you are.  Then maybe you can find out why their estimates are low and explain it to your customer. 

Feb 20, 2013 06:06 AM
Marshall Brown
Mid America Inspection Services, LLC - Fargo, ND
BSEE, CHI

You have no idea how many time we run into a variation of the same thing. Price shopping for a service is always a bad idea but we frequently have home buyers tell us that they were told all home inspections were the same so shop for the lowest price. Again, classically bad advise.

As someone who spent 20 years in project management I have to agree with your advise to this guy to run. The ridiculously lowest bidder in any situation like this either doesn't understand what he's bidding on or plans on making his profit with add-on's and change orders.

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Feb 20, 2013 06:11 AM
F U
nobody - Alamance, NT
Dead

Smart move to just move on. You'll most likely hear from him in the future to fix the damage. 

Feb 20, 2013 06:29 AM
Theresa Akin
CORPUS CHRISTI REALTY GROUP - Corpus Christi, TX

When he walks into the room to see them reading the instructions on the back of the boxes after they've already started and realized they left something out, then he will realize why the big discount. Most instructions come in 4 or more languages but the one reading them should hopefully be literate.

Feb 20, 2013 07:40 AM
Grant Schneider
Performance Development Strategies - Armonk, NY
Your Coach Helping You Create Successful Outcomes

Debbie,  there is actually a public service announcement on the radio which says "If it sounds too good to be true, it is." It is unfortuate that value service providors like you have to be confronted with this.  Like Adam in our BNI says, just tell them to have a nice day.

Feb 20, 2013 07:41 AM
Rafi Footerman
Mid Jersey Inspections - Edison, NJ
Home Inspector, Mold Inspector, Radon and More!

When is a good deal not a good deal?  When the contractor doesn't know what they're doing. :)

Feb 20, 2013 09:48 AM
Peter Michelbach
International, IT
i Sell Real Estate

Hi Debbie, remember to pass on the old saying to all your prospective customers: you get what you pay for!

 

Show them photos of your high class finished products laid in the homes...followed by customers positive statements! Good luck - you deserve it all, Debbie!!

Feb 20, 2013 04:18 PM
Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

There will always be those people who will look for the lowest price no matter what and not "dig deeper" into what they are getting. It's the same with hiring a realtor. I've always said you get what you pay for, but if they won't listen to you, my philosphy is... next!

Feb 20, 2013 10:07 PM
Nancy Middleton
Counselor Realty, Inc. - Excelsior, MN
Nancy Middleton, Counselor Realty, Minnetonka, MN

Debbie: Great post.  I aways ask for referrals or endorsements from work done in the area and contact the people directly, and sometimes you can suggest to those wanting a big deal to  check your company (and the low bid companies) out with the Better Business Bureau in your area. As others have said, "You get what you pay for."  Those people who always want a big deal may not realize the value of quality,and they'll always complain along the way and cause the most problems. Next..... RUN-RUN. 

Feb 21, 2013 01:24 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

This guy wanted you.  He knows those others are jokes.  But he was trying to get the price down.  Stick to your guns.

Feb 21, 2013 04:44 AM
Kristin Hamilton CA Realtor
Sun Lakes Realty - Banning, CA
(909) 557-6966- Specialize 55+ Communties Banning

Hi Debbie,

He might have been playing you to get your price down lower. He might still call you but watch out. He is probably one to complain and pull something. I always get 3 good bids and do not usually take the lowest. Hardwood floors are so popular and I love mine. My entire downstairs is wood and it is so easy to take care of. Before I sell my house to downsize in a couple of years, I will have to replace my expensive carpeting upstairs but not the wood downstairs. Then we are putting wood in our condo before we move in there. Love wood! ***This guy is going to be sorry or he doesn't care about quality.

Feb 21, 2013 10:55 AM
Michelle Francis
Tim Francis Realty LLC - Atlanta, GA
Realtor, Buckhead Atlanta Homes for Sale & Lease

Debbie, 

It's so tough when you know there is a very high probability this will turn out eventually costing them 50% MORE when they have to re-do.  You did the right thing and warned them, but folks that will believe the low, low, low proprosition are not the best fit for us. 

All the best, Michelle

Feb 21, 2013 11:38 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

Debbie,

Often times you better run when you see estimates that are so great. Unless, of course, a good estimate is all you want. as it is not realistic to have a good quality job from these guys.

A few years ago we had a bid better   than a dream The guy said that we would be happy with his quality of paint job. A vacant 2 bedr unit, it took him a week, but for this unbelievable price we agreed to wait. When we can in a week, we saw something beyond terrible. Previous paint was seen through, it was all so uneven.

So I asked him why it was this way, and he said that if we did not want to see the old paint, he would have to put two coats, but it would cost more. Hey, we never discusse the number of coats, we were simply promised an excellent result and this was not it.

Well, we got what we paid for. And then we brought in a real painter.

Feb 22, 2013 11:46 AM
Steven Pahl
Keller Williams Tampa Properties - Tampa, FL
Real Estate Consultant Tampa, FL 813-319-6423

Debbie, you can lead them to water, but you can't make them think!

Feb 22, 2013 12:11 PM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

When my husband was building custom homes we often lost the bid to someone with a low, low price. Then the next year the people would call to ask if he could come and fix what the first contractor did wrong - or finish the job he left hanging.

He always said "No thanks."

Jul 04, 2013 05:41 PM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Yes, we have gotten some calls like this.  We'll help them w/ their next project, but it's usually very challenging to fix someone else's project.

Jul 04, 2013 08:05 PM

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