New Construction Porch Roof - Shimmed And Glued. And The Beat Goes On

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

I'm not sure why I continue to see this kind of work, the new construction front porch roof - shimmed and glued.  And the beat goes on.

Certainly I am at the point of wondering if this is not considered the "way to do it now," and it's how an architect or builder would spec and build their own houses.

Rather than cutting the supporting studs properly, the outside front porch beams needed to be supported with a shim.  Shims are not long-term support.  Cut the stud supports at the proper height!

Note the special stabilizing chunks of wood on each side.  That will strengthen it!  And maybe a little puff of poly foam to finish it off.  You note the sarcasm.

And on the inside, there is not one single attachment to the house - not one nail or screw, no bolt or strap - except poly foam.  The front porch beams are literally glued to the house!

I AM BEGINNING TO WONDER IF THIS IS THE NEW NORMAL!

My eighth grade shop teacher, Mr. Brautigam, would not only have given me a D for this work, indoors and out (because I was 14 and NOT a professional, so the D would be credit for trying and giving it my best shot), but right now he is probably turning over in his grave.  He had a way of smiling and shaking his head to tell me to redo something.  He is shaking more than his head at this stuff!  And probably not smiling!

Gosh, they could have at least thrown in a drywall screw or two, and some duct tape...

My recommendation:  while the builders tell people they don't "need" a home inspection as unnecessary, it is obvious that all new construction does.  But frankly, when work like this is so routine nowadays, I wonder if they even know what to do about it.  My optimism is fading.  Glued, not screwed.  Oh boy!

 

 

 

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Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

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Rainmaker
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Monica Hess
Feng Shui This Kentucky - Lexington, KY
Kentucky's Feng Shui Master

Well, I'm impressed!  I had no idea anyone but my old neighbor knew how to build like that.  I'll bet they're related.

Feb 25, 2013 12:35 AM #20
Rainmaker
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Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, It really is too bad because there are some good builders out there. But all too often we see sub-par craftsmanship.

Feb 25, 2013 01:38 AM #21
Rainmaker
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Les & Sarah Oswald
Realty One Group - Eastvale, CA
Broker, Realtor and Investor

Jay - this is truly scary what builders are putting into the market. I guess they just don't build houses like they use to...

Feb 25, 2013 03:10 AM #22
Rainmaker
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Kim Peasley-Parker
AgentOwned Realty, Heritage Group, Inc. - Sumter, SC

Wow, this is scary!!!!  That is why I never trust a builder who doesn't want you looking at the framed house. 

Feb 25, 2013 04:12 AM #23
Rainer
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Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Jay --  are you sure they didn't put the nails into the boards before they covered them with the insulating foam?  (not likely, I am sure.)

Feb 25, 2013 06:39 AM #24
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Stan - not at this house!  A couple of lags can't cost that much, can they?

Right Mike, it is not glue!  And not for anything but sealant.

Marc - that appears to be the new trend now.  At least they all have each other!

Clint - if this is the new normal we are all finished!  There are too many new normals now that look to finish us!

Feb 25, 2013 07:25 AM #25
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Matt - sometimes you get the elevator and sometimes you get the shaft!

Paula - I am always shocked by this sort of thing, although you would think by now that I would not be.

Richie - that is why the supervisor is supposed to be present, on site, every day.

Fred - I call it 7-11 construction and yes.  And you never give a 14 year old a failing grade when trying to learn in shop class, at least when he gives his best effort!

Feb 25, 2013 07:28 AM #26
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Than - sarcasm?  There was sarcasm?

Richard - I did not see any failure stickers, so the answer must be yes.  The electrical inspector was there when we were and he passed it - no stickers.  I found two electrical things.

Randy - he was a good guy.  And together you look like bobble heads on the dash board.

Tom - the day you and I see it all will never arrive!  Do they understand that,you ask?  Um.....

 

Feb 25, 2013 07:31 AM #27
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Rob - the cutest blocking in town!

Monica - they may be!  Or both related to Uncle Bob.

Don - this was sub par.  I have done many inspections in this neighborhood and the supervisor actually likes me despite my smashing stuff on my inspections!  I wonder how long that will continue!

S&L - they don't, in many ways good and many ways bad.

Feb 25, 2013 07:33 AM #28
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Kim - they are making it harder and harder to do inspections.  They keep adding layers of criteria the inspector needs to meet.

Steven - there are gaps on both sides.  What would they be nailed into?  Toe nailed downward?  Not sufficient, if it is there.

Feb 25, 2013 07:34 AM #29
Rainmaker
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Myrl Jeffcoat
GreatWest Realty - Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Real Estate Agent

Jay - Those poly foam blobs remind me of giant globs of bubble gum!  They look horrible!

Feb 25, 2013 07:35 AM #30
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Pretty much Myrl!  I don't think they chew for very long though...

Feb 25, 2013 08:12 AM #31
Rainmaker
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Mike Cooper, GRI
Cornerstone Business Group Inc - Winchester, VA
Your Neighborhood Real Estate Sales Pro

I think that's that new Lincoln log style of building isn't it, Jay.  As long as nothing bumps into it, it's good.  I don't see a lot of that, but I've seen plenty of other crazy construction kerfuffles.  Oy!

Feb 25, 2013 08:53 AM #32
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Got a little play side to side Mike?  That makes it better able to withstand earthquakes?  I guess!

Feb 25, 2013 08:57 AM #33
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Rafi Footerman
Mid Jersey Inspections - Edison, NJ
Home Inspector, Mold Inspector, Radon and More!

While the framing wasn't nailed, the buyer would have been screwed if not for you.

Feb 25, 2013 10:56 AM #34
Rainmaker
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Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

As always this is very informative. It is very very difficult, if not imposssible, to get a builder to agree to inspection.. and even if the do, then it is difficult to negotiate how any dispute will be resolved.

Feb 25, 2013 11:01 AM #35
Rainer
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Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection
Foam is becoming the new duct tape. They'll soon be doing TV series on it and writing cute little 'How To' books. Too bad mice an insects can eat their way right through it.
Feb 25, 2013 11:30 AM #36
Rainmaker
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Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Is it any wonder builders are getting sued frequently. Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that a "structural problem"?

Feb 25, 2013 11:50 AM #37
Rainmaker
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Wika Hutchinson
Eugene, OR
Broker, CRIS, SFR, CDPE
I think some builders think that they can get away with doing cheap work. Those are the people who don't think long term or take pride of their work or creation.
Feb 25, 2013 03:28 PM #38
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Rafi - this was the same house as the interesting door installation.  There were more things yet!

Joan - I am not sure why this would be a dispute, but certainly the builder would want to bring this into compliance with "normal" carpentry.  You frighten me by making me wonder if this becomes a dispute!    ;>)

Robert - I have told people that for years, especially when they use it to "seal" where the AC lines enter the house.  Mouse highway.

Pamela - if it isn't, it surely is one in embryo.  And embryoes grow up to become what they are!

Wika - I am going to doubt that this was written as an architectural spec, but worry that it might be the "regular" way of doing things now.

Feb 25, 2013 09:07 PM #39
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