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Beware of Online Movers (feel free to forward this to your clients!)

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Education & Training with Sell with Soul

(This blog is written in the present tense, but it actually happened a few weeks ago. I decided against posting it until the situation was resolved to avoid any unnecessary angst while the movers still had my stuff!)

January 24, 2008
I've got the moving blues. It's not as if I expected moving across the country to be fun, but one can hope. Actually, almost everything has gone smoothly with one big movingexception... my MOVERS.

I don't have my stuff yet (that's a story in itself), but I'm almost dreading the day it arrives. I've heard so many horror stories about how crooked movers will hold your stuff hostage until you pay some previously undisclosed and un-agreed-to charge. You can argue all you want, but eventually you give in out of frustration.

In a nut, here's what's going on. About six weeks ago, I went online to get moving estimates. Filled out a few inventory lists and was then bombarded with emailed estimates and phone calls. Estimates ranged from $1600 to $5200. I eventually hired Moving-on-Time because they had both the lowest price and the nicest salespeople. Bad move.

Every time I talked to one of these nice salespeople at Moving-on-Time, I got a different story as to how my move would be handled. The first guy said that the truck would show up in Alabama on January 15th and drive straight to Denver where the driver would wait for me to show up if I lagged behind. Wow - that sounded pretty good. The next guy told me that my things would be loaded on a freight truck with other households, but that I'd be the last one on, therefore the first one off, so again, I'd have my things quickly.

The next person I spoke to told me I could request a delivery date and as long as I called 48 hours ahead of time, they'd be able to honor it. I requested delivery on January 21, and called to confirm that date three times. "No problem" I was told all three times. Even on January 20, I was told that my delivery was on schedule, but that I should call the driver directly to find out what time he'd be here.

So I called the driver on January 21 and apparently got him out of bed. Oops. When I politely asked what time my things would be delivered, he informed me that my things were still in a warehouse in Atlanta and would not be in Denver for at least a week, maybe two. The conversation deteriorated from there as it sunk in that I'd be sleeping on the floor and wearing the same clothes for much longer than I'd expected. Oh, and spending $500 at Target to purchase all the things I'd need to camp out in my empty house.

But oh well. Nothing I could do. So, I broached the next subject with one of those nice salespeople at Moving-on-Time. I was double-charged for fuel; once by Moving-on-Time and once by A Van Lines - the company who Moving-on-Time subcontracted my move to. Ahhhhh....a light goes on. Moving-on-Time is a moving BROKER, not an actual moving company and I'd been warned not to use a broker because all sorts of fun things can happen!

Anyway, Moving-on-Time agreed that I'd been double-charged and directed me to contact A Van Lines to get the problem corrected. I called A Van Lines and spoke with Eddie, the supervisor/owner. I explained that my contract with Moving-on-Time included the fuel charge and that his driver made a mistake when he included it on my revised bill. 

Well, the supervisor/owner at A Van Lines told me in no uncertain terms that because I signed the paperwork that showed the extra fuel charge, I was obligated to pay it, whether it was valid or not. He said it didn't matter at this point what the charge was for; because I agreed to it with my signature, the law was on his side. He used the example that if I went to a car dealership and negotiated a price of $40,000 for a car and then signed paperwork agreeing to pay $55,000 without realizing what I'd signed, would I expect the dealership to honor the $40,000 price? I so wish I'd recorded the conversation - the guy was so smug and so condescending and so, well, slimy!

I then read some reviews online (a little late) and found that I'm not the first person this has happened to with this company.

I tried going back to Moving-on-Time for some help, but they're tired of hearing from me by now. And I kind of understand - there's really nothing they can do to help. They're just brokers after all and they have to deal with Eddie as well ... who probably isn't any nicer to them than he was to me.

So, my point is... listen to those in the know who say not to use a moving broker, who make up the majority of online FREE Moving Estimates sites. I so wish I'd hired the guy who actually came to my house to give me a binding estimate, even though his price was quite a bit higher (although in the end, it's close to what I paid).

I'm anxiously awaiting the delivery of everything I own and am trying to be optimistic that this final step will go well. But I'm scared. I'm scared that as a single woman who can be a bit wimpy when it comes to confrontation I'll be further taken advantage of by A Van Lines. I'm scared that because I've complained they'll intentionally break something or accidently leave something vital on the truck. My imagination is working overtime on all the scenarios that could arise.

Wish me luck!

 

 

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Comments(24)

Jennifer Allan
Jennifer Allan, Inc. - Denver, CO

The happy ending to the story is that my stuff finally came, a week late, and the guy who did the unloading was delightful and actually gave me some advice on how to fight the extra charge (he was a subcontractor TO the subcontractor and didn't even know this Eddie dude).

I just sent a letter to Moving on Time to let them know I was planning to post this blog (but I didn't say where) as well as complain to the BBB and Attorney General. We'll see if anyone cares... sniff sniff.

Feb 04, 2008 04:35 AM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

Hmmm...makes you think doesn't it!  Thanks for the heads - up!

 

Patricia Aulson, Realtor   Hampton NH Real Estate

Feb 04, 2008 04:51 AM
Bridgett Raffenberg
Re/Max Results Plus - Cincinnati, OH
Realtor Cincinnati, OH

Jennifer,

I am so glad you got your stuff after all that.  I apprecite the "heads up" on the broker moving services too.  I'm sure it's little consolation but at least your delivery guy wasn't Eddie!

 

Feb 04, 2008 05:08 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time
Jennifer, I wish I had optimism for how this is going to turn out but we just moved about 6 weeks ago and know you are going to be writing another post about this real soon. Sorry!!! We actually ended up firing our movers before they made it to out house. Nothing they had promised was going the right way so we just fired them BEFORE they could hold our stuff hostage. It was a smart move. I then went and rented a truck and hired my own crew. Saved a few thousand bucks I'm sure. Movers SUCK!! 
Feb 04, 2008 06:14 AM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate
Jennifer, I have had so many clients scammed by moving companies. They quote one price at the walk through and then load your truck and say, " sorry, but it will be this". What are they going to do, they are moving and their furniture is loaded. So it is not just he online companies.
Feb 04, 2008 06:17 AM
George Tallabas
RE/MAX Advantage - Nampa, ID
Idaho Real Estate
Jennifer - Thanks for sharing and I will be quick to share it with my Realtor friends and clients. Sorry you had such a horrible experience.  P.S. If you plan on being at the RE/MAX Convention in Las Vegas next month please let me know so we can connect. Several of us Active Rainers are getting together. Have  great day.
Feb 04, 2008 06:21 AM
Jennifer Allan-Hagedorn
Sell with Soul - Pensacola Beach, FL
Author of Sell with Soul

George - No, I won't be in Las Vegas - these last few months have been way too crazy for any extra-curricular traveling, but I'll wait for your report!

Missy - I'm sure that's true. Unfortunately none of us has enough experience with the big picture to know how to judge. It's quite a racket.

Bryant - I've always had great luck with local moves, but this cross-country thing was bad. When I moved to Alabama FROM Denver, I hired UPack where I had to get my own labor on each side and that worked pretty well.

Bridgett - you are so right. I was a nervous wreck in the days before the mover showed up. I'm so glad he was a nice guy.

Feb 04, 2008 09:48 AM
Leesa Finley
RED Properties - Wake Forest, NC
RED Properties - Raleigh NC Real Estate
Jennifer - very happy you have your stuff!  I had a dear friend move across country and her story was similar to your - a nightmare!  She was not as fortunate as you.  What is worse is even the most educated people don't know the right questions to ask.  Why?  Because there really aren't any right questions - they tell you one thing (even have it in writing) and turn around and do something else!
Feb 04, 2008 10:31 AM
Jennifer Allan-Hagedorn
Sell with Soul - Pensacola Beach, FL
Author of Sell with Soul
Leesa - that's exactly right. Every single person I talked to gave me a totally different story and then when I told the next person what previous person had said... they said there was no way anyone would have told me that. It was crazy.
Feb 04, 2008 10:35 AM
Retta Absher
RE/MAX Space Center - Pearland, TX
Pearland Texas Real Estate
Thanks for the post, I was not aware of thses types of  moving brokers and such a shady deal they gave you.
Feb 04, 2008 10:55 AM
Lisa Hill
Florida Property Experts - Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Real Estate

I think you should forward this post to them, along with all of our comments. Every one of us can agree to spread the word about their business practices. In addition, we can add this link to our web sites, under the tag of DO NOT USE THIS MOVING SERVICE! 

Feb 04, 2008 01:20 PM
Sharon Filbig
Prudential California Realty - Escondido, CA
San Diego County Real Estate
Wow, I'm glad it was resolved.  Although I wonder if it was completely fixed with bozos like that.  How do you really have any chance of protecting yourself when you're lied to like that?  Moving is stressful enough without having them trample all over you and hold you hostage.  Thank you for the valuable lesson.  I would not have known that.  Maybe next time I get stuck to sign something in a situation like that I'll take an example from my Open House Guest Register and sign "Mickey Mouse".  Let them try and enforce that contract! 
Feb 04, 2008 04:11 PM
Rebecca Levinson, Real Estate Marketing and Online Advertising Consultant
Real Skillz-Clear Marketing for Your Real Estate Vision - Lake Geneva, WI
Movers are a big category and big moneymakers in the real estate industry.  In the relocation side they call them household goods moving and storage.  I would recommend getting quotes from at least three movers.  And get quotes from personal referrals of friends or family members who have had good experiences as well as those from your real estate agent.
Feb 04, 2008 04:17 PM
Kris Wales
Keller Williams Realty - Lakeside Market Center - Macomb, MI
Real Estate Blog & Homes for Sale search site, Macomb County MI
This is one post that we should bookmark, to show any potential clients when they are getting estimates for movers.  Wow..what a lousy situation!
Feb 04, 2008 08:25 PM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel
It is a scary situation. We should alert our clients and suggest they check references before hiring a company.
Feb 04, 2008 09:30 PM
Dan Forbes
Bradenton, FL
Well, I've heard about problems like this before and I'm sorry it happened to you.  Moving is stressful enough without being ripped off by the movers.
Feb 04, 2008 09:50 PM
Latonia Parks
Top Bragg Realty, Fayetteville NC, Home of the 82d ABN DIV - Fayetteville, NC
Certified Military Relocation Expert
We have moved our entire military career so I know the subject well.  I have seen the lack of concern for your loved items and the care taken by someone else.  It just depends.  I always fed them to be sure they took precautions.  It worked.....most of the time.
Feb 05, 2008 12:16 AM
Karl Burger
ERA Beach Ball Realty - Pensacola, FL
Pensacola Real Estate News

I looked at those reviews you linked to. The bad ones sound just like your experience, and the good ones sound very much like they were written by people affiliated with the moving company. Generally with the stress of moving, if all goes well, everyone is happy, but very busy. Who has the time to go post a glowing review of a company? When things go wrong, and you are steaming, the one thing on your mind is how you are going to let everyone know how bad this company is. I would take those good review with less than a grain of salt. This is a great post, and great advice. Thanks.

Edit: I found a website that may be helpful. movingscam.com

They have a forum section too.

Feb 05, 2008 12:24 AM
Jennifer Allan-Hagedorn
Sell with Soul - Pensacola Beach, FL
Author of Sell with Soul
UPDATE - the owner of A Van Lines just called me to apologize and explain what happened. His explanation made some sense, although it was handled very poorly by the driver and Eddie, and he's sending me the disputed amount. So, that's nice.
Feb 05, 2008 01:35 AM
Theron Your Renal Home/Apartment Locator
Rental Relocation - Sandy Springs, GA

Jennifer,

Here we have another thing in common.  I had a similar situation moving from New Jersey to Atlanta.  I found this company on-line also.  It was not a moving broker it was the actual moving company that I was dealing with, but it was horrible the entire time.  I even tried to fire them before they left with my furniture, but I was going to be charged a outstanding amount to fire them, so I went with it.  When they finally arrived in Atlanta with my stuff, (because I moved into an apartment) they were going to charge me an additional amount of money to move my things from the truck to the door.  The door had to be so many feet from the curve or something.  A long story short, they left my STUFF in a parking spot inside the parking garage of the complex.  I had to locate another company (local) to move my things from that garage to my apartment. It saved me money doing it that way rather than just paying them another dime for them to do it.  AND WOULDN'T YOU KNOW...They forgot a peice of furniture and had to drive it all the way back and deliver it to my door free of charge.

I hope you get some resolve from this, I decided to drop it.  I probably should have fault it tooth and nail because I know they are getting over on other people.

Good Luck!!

Feb 05, 2008 04:28 AM