It pays to do construction in the right order

By
Home Builder with The Flooring Girl

It happened again.  I have a customer who hired a contractor who didn't bother to tell them the correct order of operations.  It pays to have a good and honest contractor who will not only do a good job, but will also tell you the optimal order to do things so that you don't waste money.

 

door casings and hardwood floorsOn Monday, I met with a nice homeowner who wants to refinish and repair their hardwood floors in Westchester.  We often repair small sections of hardwood before we sand the floors.  Normally, this work is straightforward.  We weave in new hardwood and refinish and the floors look seamless.

 

But, in this case, unfortunately for the homeowner, the previous contractor did the work in the wrong order.  He removed the old metal door casings (which is fine) and then put in new wood casings.  Not only did he neglect to fix gaps in the wood floor, but he built the door casings all the way down to the subfloor...and below the hardwood.

 

The smarter way to do this would have been to weave in new hardwood and then place the door casings on top and then paint.  The hardwood needs to go underneath the door jambs (not up to the door jambs).  Now, the good news for this homeowner is that I have a contractor that can help him.  He has a tool that will cut the door casings, he can then weave in the hardwood and then he will need to repaint.

 

It just breaks my heart that my customer is now going to have to pay more for this work, and it was completely avoidable if it was done correctly the first time

 

I see mistakes like this happen too often - the customer doesn't know the right order of things and the contractor never bothers to tell them.  I don't know why this is.  I don't know if the contractor is just trying to sell their job and make a buck, or if the contractor doesn't think ahead.  A responsible contractor will inform their customer about this and ultimately save the customer money (and garner their respect). 

 

I just advised a customer to hold off on a carpet runner project because she wants to sand and stain her hardwood floors...and that means the steps need to be stained before the carpet goes on top.  I happened to meet with this customer yesterday, and she is thrilled that she avoided this big mistake.

 

I've seen counttless mistakes with customers who have done kitchens in the wrong order as well as the combo of painting and flooring.  See Is it better to paint or do the floors first?  So, it pays to get the right contractor, and it pays to ask the right questions so you avoid double rework.

Comments (32)

Anita Clark
Coldwell Banker Access Realty ~ 478.960.8055 - Warner Robins, GA
Realtor - Homes for Sale in Warner Robins GA

Debbie: Homeowners typically trust that the "experts" they hire will do a professional job the correct way...often times that is not the case.

Apr 16, 2013 11:11 PM
Sheila Anderson
Referral Group Incorporated - East Brunswick, NJ
The Real Estate Whisperer Who Listens 732-715-1133

Good morning Debbie. What a terrific blog with realy import information. The order does matter and you write so well.  Suggested.

Apr 16, 2013 11:17 PM
Kevin J. May
Florida Supreme Realty - Hobe Sound, FL
Serving the Treasure & Paradise Coasts of Florida

Debbie, I visualize this as an artist's painting with the flooring as the background and succeeding elements placed above.  The finished product then becomes seamless and dimensional.  

Apr 17, 2013 12:25 AM
Hillary Sheperd
Servpro of Scarsdale / Mount Vernon - Scarsdale, NY
Co-Owner ~ Servpro of Scarsdale / Mount Vernon, NY

Debbie:  Well stated and everything in order is the best.  We follow many contractors, too, who have made a water or fire damage situation worse, ripped out whole walls, when we would have just opened up trim to dry or clean and it's frustrating.  Know that one of our jobs was problematic for your great crews and fabulous Fabio.  Communication and proper planning to prevent piss pour performance is the way to go.  You're so right as always.

 

Apr 17, 2013 01:01 AM
Brad MacKenzie
Brad MacKenzie - Duxbury, MA
Turning Houses into Homes on the South Shore

Oh, my, what an incompetent contractor (boob!). He doesn't sound like he knows how to use a measuring tape.

Apr 17, 2013 03:13 AM
Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

This is an excellent topic.  Some contractors do very dumb things.  Most of them need close supervision.

Apr 17, 2013 06:02 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Debbie, there is a big difference between dealing with someone like yourself that takes pride in what you do, and giving honest advise, and someone that is just in it for the dollar.

Apr 17, 2013 09:53 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I see this and more all the time Debbie, even on new construction!  Flooring installations rival duct tape use in creativity!

Apr 17, 2013 06:19 PM
Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Debbie,

Never know who or what your going to find with a contractor.

This is why a reference is to vital.

Have a great day in New York.

Best, Clint McKie

Apr 17, 2013 09:37 PM
Jill Sackler
Charles Rutenberg Realty Inc. 516-575-7500 - Long Beach, NY
LI South Shore Real Estate - Broker Associate

Well, we're lucky to have you. The average lay person doesn't know what comes first.

Apr 17, 2013 10:35 PM
Lyn Sims
RE/MAX Suburban - Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg Real Estate

I've seen it time & again. People paint, rip up the floor & have to repaint again. Wonder if it's the contractor or the homeowner?

Apr 17, 2013 11:14 PM
Mike Cooper, Broker VA,WV, MD
Cornerstone Business Group Inc - Winchester, VA
Your Neighborhood Real Estate Sales Pro

Debbie, as a contractor, this is one of my all time biggest pet peeves.  I hate being a project where the GC or the homeowner gets the subs out of order.  It makes for a lessor quality job, and it makes everyone else's part of the job more difficult.

Apr 18, 2013 12:33 AM
Al Spencer
EyeBall Real Estate Inspections - Houston, TX

Debbie thank you for that valuable information as a 203K consultant the information you are sharing is valuable.  If serves as a reminder for me when I am inspecting completed work or seeing the work performed thank you.

Apr 18, 2013 12:48 AM
Dorte Engel
RE/MAX Leading Edge - Bowie, MD
ABC - Annapolis, Bowie, Crofton & rest of Maryland

Dear Debbie,

Great point. I always marvel at the two-inch gap around casings in restaurant tile floors and wonder, who the professional was, that installed them, so I can avoid them at all costs. What is the tool that your flooring person uses? I have used a small Japanese fine tooth saw, but that is surely not right. Did the job for inside a closet, but you probably have a more elegant solution.

Apr 18, 2013 12:58 AM
Hella Mitschke Rothwell
(831) 626-4000 - Honolulu, HI
Hawaii & California Real Estate Broker
They don't hire licensed contractors a lot of the time.
Apr 18, 2013 12:59 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Debbie, too often people go for the lowest price instead of the best deal.

Apr 18, 2013 01:13 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

You just reminded me of my son at Christmas. He bought me a big beautiful new u-shaped desk set and spent an entire day putting it all together. When he finished he told me he was never going to take it apart and move it. "So if you ever want to re-carpet this room, they'll just have to cut around it."

Can you visualize that? Of course he was kidding - he's a good son and if I needed him, he'd move it.

Apr 18, 2013 03:26 AM
Lora "Leah" Stern 914-772-4528
Coldwell Banker, 170 N Main Street, New City NY 10956 - New City, NY
Real Estate Salesperson

Debbie, glad for those clients that they found you.  There are good contractors (few and far between) and those that are not so good.  Glad at least that you knew the difference even if your client didn't.

Apr 18, 2013 01:22 PM
Sylvia Jonathan
Coldwell Banker Platinum Properties - Irvine, CA
Broker Associate, SFR

I enjoyed reading your post Is it better to paint or do the floors first? I recently sold a home that needed quite a bit of work and counseled my buyers to rip out the old flooring first, build the small drywall section and have all the rough carpentry done, have the painters come and knock down the popcorn from the ceiling and prep and paint. The paint job was a lot of restoration work, including new drywall in many places. Then they did the flooring and last the baseboards. I will keep in mind that you recommend painting before the flooring in some instances.

Apr 26, 2013 10:43 PM
Brad Baylor
ERA Coup Agency - Milton, PA

Debbie - Doesn't it seem that anyone with a hammer and saw can call themselves a contractor if they so choose.  I'm so sorry this happened to your client, on what could have been a relatively inexpensive job.

Apr 29, 2013 12:29 AM

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