How Light Can be Your Worst Enemy

By
Real Estate Broker/Owner with Kirby Fine Homes

 Six years ago I married into a Catholic family, knowing full well that one day I would convert into the church. Now this post isn't about religion, but religion is going to help me write this post.

This Sunday I celebrated my Rite of Election at the Cathedral of Saint Paul. I had been in the church before during the last Ramsey Hill Home Tour, and knew it would be a great opportunity to test out my camera. The church is stunning, to say the least, and would provide some beautiful photos. But I knew I would have some major lighting problems, because much of the church is in low light.

Some photos came out really well, and of course, those were the ones with the most natural light coming in through the stain-glass windows. The photo to the left looks good, but there is some glare.

When I tried taking photos in lower light, the fun really began. I don't have any experience shooting in low light because lets face, how many places to you go now a days that are not flooded by light? So this would be a good learning experience.

 

 

 

 I took this photo on the Aperture Setting, and adjusted for Exposure.

The first shot is at +1 exposure , but is too dark. So when I let in more light with the second at +2, the photo came out blurry. It would have been perfect if on a tripod, but I don't think the Arch Bishop would have approved.

I think what I also should have tried, was messing with the Aperture, or f-stop. Maybe the photos would have turned out different if I had used a smaller f-stop, increasing the depth of field. Most likely, but I honestly forgot to do it. After two hours, my husband was ready to leave, and thought I had had enough fun for one day. :)

 

 

 

 

     

 I was able to get some good shots and of course those had better lighting.. ie, the sun.

Overall, it was a good learning experience. I came home and re-read some photography books to help me better understand where I went wrong. I am by no means, a pro, and have alot to learn. I am getting good at landscape shots, but I have a long way to go in low-light interiors, like old churches. 

 

 

Comments (22)

Lee Jinks
Jinks Realty - McAllen, TX

Jennifer,

I'll help if I can.  What you wanted was more light on the sensor.  This is achieved by opening up the aperture and/or slowing down the shutter speed.  As you experienced, a shutter speed below 1/30 of a second will probably result in a blurry picture.  As you pointed out, a tripod is the answer, but in lieu of a tripod you could make one more camera setting adjustment.  You could increase the sensitivity.  This means increasing the ISO.  In automatic mode, you are probably limited to 400 ISO.  As the ISO increases, the quality of the picture will suffer because of graininess, especially with small P&S’s, so you will probably want to test out your camera to see how high you can push the ISO before the photo becomes unacceptable in your eyes.

Now if you have the aperture at the smallest number you can go, the ISO as high as you will accept and there still isn’t enough light, you will have to reduce the shutter speed to 1/15 or possibly 1/8 of a second.  You will then need to hold the camera as still as possible.  Most newer P&S’s have some form of anti-shake or image stabilization which will help greatly.  I often lean against something stable and brace the camera against a door frame or pillar.  Hold your breath as you gently squeeze the shutter.  I have one more suggestion. 

The best thing you can do is use the tripod, but if you really think a tripod would be inappropriate in the building, take a look at this How-To-Video on YouTube.

Feb 11, 2008 10:59 PM
Ted Baker
Carmody and Associates LLC - Winter Haven, FL
MidFloridaMediation.com

Jennifer - great post ! No matter what we read on the subject, we are not going to get it until we stand in one place with the camera of our choice and shoot photos of the same subject with different settings for the variables of shutter, aperature and sensitivity so that we can compare the results and "see" the light at last.

Lee - great idea in the video for a stabilizer - I had not considered such a simple, inexpensive solution.

Jennifer - if you have reached a level of seriousness that you use a D-SLR with camera RAW format capabilities, note the effects possible with HDR (high dynamic range)  image layering (obviously using a tripod) to take the best portions from several images.  Fascinating posts by John and Margaret Hokkanen in this AR group show how much the bar is being raised by skill, preparation, technology and computers.

I love the cathedral shots - the building is magnificient.

Feb 11, 2008 11:27 PM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent
Robert - do like I have done. Grab your camera and just start shooting....read some books on the basics of photography and you will be amazed how easy it becomes.
Feb 12, 2008 02:04 AM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent
Eric - you are right, being a real estate agents lets me play with my hobby more and more. People have been asking me if I want to become a professional photographer? I have so much to learn before that happens but it is nice to think that I could fall back on that if I had to.
Feb 12, 2008 02:06 AM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent
Maureen - I have been planning on doing a post on the history of the Cathedral of Saint Paul...I just need to get around to it. The church is very beautiful and sits up on a hill overlooking downtown. I feel so guilty some times being in St Paul knowing T is there. :)
Feb 12, 2008 02:08 AM
Lee Jinks
Jinks Realty - McAllen, TX

Ted,

 HDR requires a tripod because multiple shots at different exposures are combined.  That's what makes it an advanced technique.  Quick video introduction to HDR

Feb 12, 2008 02:51 AM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent
Lee- thanks alot for the video about the cheap stabilizer. I will have to try that and see how it works. I did alot of leaning against pillars and walls in the Cathedral, but it did help some for shaking. I had thought about adjusting the ISO, but didn't. Like I said, this was a huge learning experience and I plan on going back sometime for another go at it
Feb 12, 2008 03:18 AM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent
Ted - yep, the only way to get it right is to experiment and learn from there. I am saving up for an SLR camera that is way better than my current one. Just need to sell a few more homes in order to get my husband to approve the purchase! :)
Feb 12, 2008 03:22 AM
Bart Olszewski
Keller Williams Landmark II - Jackson Heights, NY
What camera are you using?
Feb 13, 2008 02:39 AM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent

Bart -  I use a Kodak DX7590. I think I purchased it in late 2003. It has been a great camera, which gives me the option of manual control. I also purchased a wide angle lens attachment which I use everywhere. A wide angle should be in any agents arsenal of tools for good photography. It really helps you get a good view of a room, from tight spaces.

I am looking into buying an SLR, because I have outgrown my camera, but I haven't decided yet on what I should buy. I am looking at a Nikon and Canon, so if anyone has any opinions on what they currently us (SLR), please feel to post here.

Feb 14, 2008 12:59 PM
Lee Jinks
Jinks Realty - McAllen, TX

Jennifer,

I can save you the trouble.  Nikon users will say Nikon.  Canon users will say Canon.  I too have outgrown my P&S and will be purchasing an SLR.  I have made up my mind, but you will have do decide for yourself.  Honestly, either camera in each class will take great photos.  I read once that you select the lens and consider the camera body as an accessory.  This is probably pretty good advise.

I'm assuming you understand that ASP sensors that most DSLR's posses have a crop factor or 1.5 or 1.6 depending on brand.  This means you will need a 10mm or 12mm (at the wide end) for interior photography.  If you wish, we can have another blog about all that.

Feb 14, 2008 01:49 PM
Teri Eckholm
Boardman Realty - White Bear Lake, MN
REALTOR Serving Mpls/St Paul North & East Metro
Jennifer--I spent many Sundays staring up at that ceiling as a child. It is a beautiful building!
Feb 15, 2008 12:00 AM
Bart Olszewski
Keller Williams Landmark II - Jackson Heights, NY

Both Canon and Nikon are great you can't go wrong with either one.  I prefer Canon, just find them to be more user friendly, ( I shoot with D30, a great camera). Jennifer is right though it is all about the lenses, stay away from the kit lenses, always upgrade!

Feb 17, 2008 02:22 PM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent

Lee - I have run into that...no one can give me a direct answer. But I have had someone tell me that Nikon must be used with Nikon software, or something like that. So, what camera have you decided on ????

Good point on the crop factor...I really hate it when the camera "over crops", at least in my opinion. I don't think I could live without a wide angle!

Feb 21, 2008 02:38 AM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent

Teri -  I thought about laying down in the pew, but my in-laws wouldn't have liked that too much. :)  I am still a kid at heart!

Bart - while it really hurts when I hand over my credit card to pay for an expensive lens, I forget all about it once I use it and see the great results!

Feb 21, 2008 02:39 AM
Lee Jinks
Jinks Realty - McAllen, TX

Jennifer,

I have had my eye on a 5D for some time, but its high initial cost coupled with the cost of 'L' series lenses has caused me to set my sights a little lower.  I plan to purchase a Canon 40D with the 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM.  From what I've read, this is the best lens at this focal length.  The 1.6 crop factor of the 40D will mean that I would get the same 16mm as the 5D would get with the 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM.  John and Margaret Hokkanen use the 5D with a 24mm tilt-shift lens.  Because of the way they do the shoot, they get almost the same viewing angle as a 16mm lens. 

You know really, the XT, XTi or new XSi would also work well for you.

When it comes to software, you will manipulate or adjust the photo in whatever software you use such as Photoshop, Lightroom, Photomatix, etc.

Feb 21, 2008 05:44 AM
Gary White~Grand Rapids Home Selling Pro Call: 616-821-9375
Flexit Realty "Flexible Home Selling Solutions" - Grand Rapids, MI
Real Estate Services You can Trust!

Jennifer, the photos are great, what a beautiful church.

 

Feb 22, 2008 07:36 AM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent

Gary - the pictures don't even do the church justice!

Lee- I have never used Photoshop and hear there is a large learning curve. But I know when I upgrade my camera, I am going to need it. My dad just purchased a Canon XTi and loves it, so yes, they are on my list to consider. Thanks for the info on the other cameras. I just don't make decisions very fast without doing alot of research, especially when they are priced like these cameras are.

Feb 26, 2008 02:49 AM
Roland Woodworth
eXp Realty - Clarksville, TN
eXp Realty
I'm not a real photo pro, butlove pctures.... lightng can indeed be a pain.. also some times, the lack of...
Feb 27, 2008 04:25 AM
Jennifer Kirby
Kirby Fine Homes - Minneapolis, MN
The Luxury Agent
Roland - I seem to have the worst luck with low light.
Feb 27, 2008 07:14 AM

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