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When it does hurt to "just ask"-

By
Real Estate Agent with Compass

Sellers usually have a bottom line.  A drop dead number they are not going to sell below or in many cases, simply cannot sell below because that number hits their equity in the house and there is no pile of cash in the closet.  We are in a recovering market and values are going up for the first time in years, so there are a lot of sellers out there who are just barely, just now breaking even and selling because they wanted to years ago but could not.  There is a huge imbalance between supply and demand in Arlington, VA and other surrounding real estate markets.  This has lead to an interesting market where many homes are getting multiple offers, but many of those buyers are focused on past values and not taking supply and demand and appreciation into consideration.  These buyers are more focused on getting a "deal" than getting a house. And these buyers will likely not buy in this market.

If you are a buyer right now and "not finding any comps" for the house - you should probably look very hard at your own bank account, and have a frank talk with your lender about our loan options, and buy based on what you can afford, what you see the value as,  not on what people were paying 7 months ago.  Value is subjective, and changes based on circumstances, weather, inventory, interest rates and various other factors.  You know the expression, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"?  So is value.  Appraisers are looking outside the current building or neighborhood for comps, if there simply are no sales that fit the traditional comparable process.  I had a house with no neighborhood comps with 3 offers recently, and it did appraise in spite of the dearth of twinkie comps.

Recently, buyers writing on a listing did something I've never have experienced before and it was one of the worst practices I've seen in real estate in 9 years.   The buyers had come in well below list price after only a few days on the market. With really no reason why other than referring to a nearly year old comp in the same community.  We had no other offers in hand but dozens of showings and many interested parties.  The house had barely had time to get full market exposure and this agent/buyer came in very low on price and very rigid on settlement terms, something made clear up front that would only be okay only with the right price.  The agent and I talked, buyers came up a bit in price, in writing, and the sellers and I talked, and I suggested the sellers give her their bottom line so they could find out if these buyers were serious or not.   And we did.  Not in writing, but I verbally told her X was their bottom line and they literally won't and don't have to sell under that.  I was very frank with her, telling her that this was a discretionary move into a rental and there was no urgency for them to do this that would cause them to sell so low.   With only 4 days on the market, time is still on OUR side and we have two other interested parties supposedly writing offers.

Over the next 24 hours, this agent, on behalf of her buyers, came up by $1,000 4 times.  And mind you this is a pretty high priced property.  Each time, I said "No, I told you X was their bottom line, no less."  She, or they, had the nerve to eventually come up to $1,000 under that bottom line.   At that point, because she was making baby steps towards an actual deal, we had one written offer at said bottom line and another one verbally that was higher.  I told her this of course, but that did not stop her and her clients from issuing the ridiculous $1,000 under offer, oh, AND no flexibility with the closing date.

At this point, honestly, if this had been the last buyer on earth, I probably would have pushed my sellers to stay in their house. Turns out they felt the same way.  Coming with in 1k of a sincere bottom line and not moving on closing was distasteful.  The sheer disrespect with which they approached his process was astounding.   Trying to figure out how they could have screwed up so badly: They were from another market, and perhaps hadn't picked up a newspaper in awhile, maybe they didn't realize what kind of market we are in?   Who knows.

So yes, it does hurt to try sometimes.  When a house has been on the market 4 days, is not the time to play hardball.  If it is still there in 2 weeks, sure, give it your best shot.  I guess they did not have this little bit of advice.  Was that $1000 really worth it to those buyers to lose the house?  At this point, it wasn't about the money, it was about decency and the way it was done for the sellers.  They probably would not have sold to them if they came UP by 5K at that point.  Meanwhile, the better offer was ratified the next day.

Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

Interestingly enough I experienced this as well.  Buyer came in with a low offer.  Sellers countered then buyers countered.  We finally gave them the bottom line and yep you guessed it they came back with another offer 10K below the bottom line.  Sadly it sounded as if the buyers thought the bottom line was fair but their agent told them to keep pushing.  It didn't work and they lost the property.

Jul 20, 2013 04:38 AM
Susan Haughton
Long and Foster REALTORS (703) 470-4545 - Alexandria, VA
Susan & Mindy Team...Honesty. Integrity. Results.

If there is anything I dislike more than wasting time, I am not sure what it is.  A waste of time for all parties concerned and for no reason...if they had made no offer at all, they would have ended up in the same position. 

Jul 20, 2013 04:51 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

That really stinks for everyone involved.  I'm sure your sellers will get what they want given the market demand.  It's hard sometimes for Buyer Agents to get buyers from out of town to understand how fast our market is.  

Jul 20, 2013 05:19 AM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

When I counter with my last offer and I will tell the other party like that.   If they counter back....WE just walk.

Jul 20, 2013 05:23 AM
Coral Gundlach
Compass - Arlington, VA
Real Lives. Not Just Real Estate.

Cindy - It's very frustrating, especially in a strong market like this.  I had a feeling these people were not getting the best advice. It's always hard to tell though.

Susan - I know.  I think these people will end up renting for sure.

Jul 20, 2013 05:25 AM
Coral Gundlach
Compass - Arlington, VA
Real Lives. Not Just Real Estate.

Chris Ann  - They got it, the next day.  They actually got two that were better.  Why would they sell for less?  Maybe she thought I was bluffing.  Who knows.

William - Man, I tried to walk but she kept calling me.  The last one the 1K below, she called, emailed and texted.  I tried to ignore her but she stayed after me.

 

Jul 20, 2013 05:27 AM
Christine Pappas - REALTOR®
eXp Realty - Willoughby, OH
When You’re Ready To Move, I’m Ready To Help

Great post Coral!  I think buyers are still expecting the deals that have been long gone.  The point of buying a home is just that to buy a home, not to beat someone over the head!

Jul 20, 2013 06:23 AM
Kathy Sheehan
Bay Equity, LLC 770-634-4021 - Atlanta, GA
Senior Loan Officer

In a hot market, I don't understand this negotiation at all.

Jul 20, 2013 07:54 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Coral, An absurd move on their part, more ego than pragmatic.  Sometimes the "I gotta win" exceeds the desire to truly have a home.  A shame, maybe they'll learn something from their failure.

Jul 20, 2013 10:26 AM
Jane Peters
Home Jane Realty - Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles real estate concierge services

You really wonder what agents like that are thinking, or why they let themselves be ruled by the buyers.  I simply won't make an unrealistic offer.  It is a waste of everyone's time.  I am glad they lost out. But you know what, I bet they didn't learn.

Jul 20, 2013 10:30 AM
Coral Gundlach
Compass - Arlington, VA
Real Lives. Not Just Real Estate.

Christine, exactly!  It was like we are stil in 2010 or something.  And yes, buying someone's home should not be an assault.

Kathy - Me neither.  Sheer cluelessness.

Bliz - Seems like it.  To me, coming in a measly 1K under a bottom line is literally a slap in the face.  In another kind of market, the seller would probably have to sadly scrape together the money and take it.  But not in this one.

Jane - I agree.  I think agents should guide their clients better than this.  Or at least apologize when offering such a ridiculous counter.  But this was just very matter of fact, like there was a snowball's chance of it happening.

Jul 21, 2013 01:04 AM
Marney Kirk
Cummings & Co. Realtors - Towson, MD
Towson, Maryland Real Estate

Hi Coral, I have experienced something like this as well. Then, when the house went under contract with another buyer, they and their agent asked me why they didn't "get their chance." What part about the low offer and negative response from the seller wasn't their chance?

Jul 21, 2013 04:07 AM
MichelleCherie Carr Crowe .Just Call. 408-252-8900
Get Results Team...Just Call (408) 252-8900! . DRE #00901962 . Licensed to Sell since 1985 . Altas Realty - San Jose, CA
Family Helping Families Buy & Sell Homes 40+ Years

Too often people (buyers) bargain themselves right out of a home.

Jul 21, 2013 03:28 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Well, once again, you don't know what you don't know.  Proceeding with good advice is always the way to go, and especially consulting a professional.

Jul 21, 2013 09:02 PM
MichelleCherie Carr Crowe .Just Call. 408-252-8900
Get Results Team...Just Call (408) 252-8900! . DRE #00901962 . Licensed to Sell since 1985 . Altas Realty - San Jose, CA
Family Helping Families Buy & Sell Homes 40+ Years

Sometimes clients and their agents "just don't get it" and continue with strategies that don't work in the current market. 

Jul 22, 2013 02:30 PM