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Getting Horizontal- Better in bed than your electrical panel

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Home Inspector with NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Getting Horizontal- Better in bed than your electrical panel

 

Chelan and Leavenworth Home Inspection Services

 

So I had a recent home inspection and found an interesting installation of the main electrical panel. It was in the horizontal position. This is an odd installation for sure. No offense to our neighbors up north (they allow horizontal installations) but this is weird installation for the us down south. It even had an electrical inspection sticker on it but this indicates some messing around happened after the inspection.

 

Horizontal Panel Installation Wenatchee Home Inspection

 

Here is the catch for us in US, electrical panels can be installed horizontally if is impractical to install the panel in the vertical position as long as the circuit breakers clearly indicate whether they are “on” when in the “up” position.

 

Here is how the code presents this-

 

NEC 240.33 Vertical Position.  

Enclosures for overcurrent devices shall be mounted in a vertical position unless that is shown to be impracticable. Circuit breaker enclosures shall be permitted to be installed horizontally where the circuit breaker is installed in accordance with 240.81. Listed busway plug-in units shall be permitted to be mounted in orientations corresponding to the busway mounting position.  

 

NEC 240.81 Indicating.  

Circuit breakers shall clearly indicate whether they are in the open “off” or closed “on” position.  

Where circuit breaker handles are operated vertically rather than rotationally or horizontally, the “up” position of the handle shall be the “on” position.

 

So to put it in general we are required to install enclosures for overcurrent devices in a vertical position unless it physically impossible or very impractical to do so.

 

Typical service panel  installation Wenatchee Home Inspection

 

It is also thought for us down here in the US that a wall-mounted vertical position for electrical panels (panelboards) is desirable to have easier access, more natural hand operation, normal swinging or closing of doors or covers (which I found), and legibility of the manufacturer's markings.

 

In addition, this also means electrical panels (panelboards or fuse enclosures) are not to be installed in a horizontal position where the back of the enclosure is mounted on the ceiling or the floor.  So do not even think about doing that.

 

Compliance with the up position will limit the number of pole spaces available on a panelboard if the cabinet is mounted in a horizontal position on a wall so you really could be limiting the available circuits.

 

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Brian Sharkey
SharkeyRE LLC - Singer Island, FL
SharkeyRE

I have to admit, the title of the post drew me in...I just had to click and read.

Jul 30, 2013 01:21 AM
Gary Frimann, CRS, GRI, SRES
Eagle Ridge Realty / Signature Homes & Estates - Gilroy, CA
REALTOR and Broker

Title drew me in too.  Interesting as I've never seen a horizontal one.

Jul 30, 2013 02:02 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Donald:  LOVE the tag line at the end re: amateur vs professional.  Absolutely perfect!  And your title made me chuckle.  Years ago my mom used the line about "having to get horizontal" and our kids (little at the time) thought Grandma was hilarious.  Reading it here brought me great memories ... thank you!

Gene

Jul 30, 2013 02:13 AM
Trisha Bush-LeFore
Preferred Properties Land & Homes - Walla Walla, WA
Providing Realtor Services in the Walla Walla Area

This is a great post. Very informative. And what a funny title to draw the audience in. Thank you for this!

Jul 30, 2013 02:59 AM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Donald -- that is a bit of a unique approach for here in WA.  I am guessing the top row of breakers they had installed did not meet code.  I also found it interesting that with so many conduits leaving the box, that they still had wires leaving without being in conduits.

Jul 30, 2013 03:14 AM
Edward & Celia Maddox
The Celtic Connection Realty - Queen Creek, AZ
EXPERIENCE & INTEGRITY - WE TAKE THE HIGH ROAD

Good grief.  Never seen an electrical panel like this one.  Obviously was installed by a licensed electrician.

Jul 30, 2013 03:36 AM
Marilyn Wier
RE/MAX Space Center - League City, TX
Your League City & Surrounding Areas REALTOR!

Great catchy title and great information. I have never seen this before. It's great that you pointed this out so I am familiar with the codes now.

Jul 30, 2013 04:12 AM
Betina Foreman
WJK Realty - Austin, TX
Realtor, C.N.E., with WJK REALTY

That is pretty weird. I have never seen anything like it before. Yikes!

Jul 30, 2013 05:32 AM
Fred Hernden, CMI
Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area - Albuquerque, NM
Albuquerque area Master Inspector

I must admit, I have never run across one of these! I actually caught myself tilting my head sideways to look at it!

Jul 30, 2013 05:38 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Clint , this was installed on a back porch. Hence the siding.

Jeff, That is correct. Only half the panel would able to be used.

Tom, That is why it has to be an exception for installation.

Marc, I have had teh exact same thought.

Dwight, Thank you

Jul 30, 2013 05:41 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Brian, Yeah fun of title would it be "Horizontal Electrical Panels" ?

Gary, This is a rare install.

Gene, Thank you very much for that thought.

Trisha, Thank you very much.

Steven, You are correct on the breakers. It is not totally uncommon to have a mix of conduit and NM wiring. You will see more conduits in commercial construction. I always thought that every panel should have a couple of conduits installed for  future needs. I did this on my home so I would always have access to additional circuits in my panels.

Jul 30, 2013 05:48 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Edward and Celia, This was an odd one that is for sure.

Marylin, Thank you and the exceptions are always fun to try to figure out.

Betina, Yes it is.

Fred, I probably did that on site ;)

Jul 30, 2013 05:50 AM
Michele Peterson
Sellstate Realty First - Roseville, CA
Sellstate Realty First

I have never seen this in any of my home sales.  How hard is it to repair? and is it costly too?

Jul 30, 2013 07:14 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Excellent presentation Don!  I have never seen a horizontal box.  But it looks like a Canadian must have snuck down there and stole your flag during the Capture the Flag game!

Jul 30, 2013 08:33 AM
Peter Preston-Thomas
Real Ottawa - Kanata, ON

Up here in Canada, we're more likely to be horizontal come wintertime.  Did you check the date on the installation? 

Jul 30, 2013 10:36 AM
Jimmy Faulkner
Florida. Homes Realty & Mortgage - Wantagh, NY
The Best Of St. Augustine

Don:  Great information and good attention getter. Horizontal electric box is something I have not seen. Have a good LICENSED electrician is imperative to any home.

Jul 30, 2013 11:52 AM
David Shamansky
US Mortgages - David Shamansky - Highlands Ranch, CO
Creative, Aggressive & 560 FICO - OK, Colorado Mtg

I would have never given this any thought but I guess I have never seen one that was horizontal

Jul 30, 2013 12:49 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Michele, It not super expensive. My guess is around a 1000 dollars.

Jay, Those BC boys coming down and playing ;)

Peter, It had an inspection sticker from the later 90's.

Jimmy, Ya it will need Sparky to come along.

David, This is an odd one for sure.

Jul 30, 2013 02:33 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Actually I can see why a horizontal installation would be more practical. All the breakers are at one level, not ascending, descending. Perhaps the Canadians have the right idea ;) 

Aug 08, 2013 10:28 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jim, I found the cover was a bit odd to work with though. Also there is the reading of the information which is a a little more difficult.

Aug 08, 2013 10:42 PM