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VA Loans Denied Because Condo Project Not On HUD’s List

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Mortgage and Lending with ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC

 

VA Loans Denied Because Condo Project Not On HUD’s List

 

I met today with a friend who is a Vice President for a national lender.  We were talking about reasons why condominium projects should get approved with HUD.  He threw me a curveball that I hadn’t previously heard.

He said that within the past couple of months, several VA loans have been denied by his lender because the condominium project was not on HUD’s approved condominiums list even though the project was on the VA approved condo list.

I was very surprised!

The VA has maintained an approved condominium project list just like HUD.  As a mortgage loan officer back in the mid-2000’s, I only wrote one VA loan in a condominium.  It was not on the VA’s approved list but I was able to get the loan done because it was on HUD’s approved list.

In 2009, when HUD released Mortgagee Letter ML09-46a/b, the VA “unpegged” itself from the HUD list and now requires condo projects to get on its approval list before VA loans are allowed in the project.

So, one would think that if the project is on the VA list then a VA loan in the project is acceptable, right?

Nope.

This lender’s investors are not buying VA loans in condo projects that are not approved with HUD.

The reasoning behind it is: what is the resale-ability of the unit if the lender acquired the property via foreclosure?  Without being on the HUD approved condos list, it will be more difficult to sell.

This is the level of impact that a condo project approval with HUD has on the sale-ability of units in a project and why it is SO important for condominium projects to get approved with HUD.

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Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Eric, the reasoning behind this does make sense should the property go to foreclosure.

Aug 09, 2013 11:14 PM
Tim Storm
Fairway Independent Mortgage Corporation - Irvine, CA
Orange County FHA and VA Home Loan Specialist

That is a lender "overlay" requirement that I have not run into. My primary focus of business is VA loans and if the lender I worked with were to adopt this overlay that would be reason enough for me to quit and change lenders. Fortunately, the lender I work for does not have this overlay. I've closed a lot of VA loans on condo's, and the loan process is actually very easy, as long as I've done my homework upfront. 

Your blog looks like a great source of information reagrding FHA project approval. I'm bookmarking for future reference.

Aug 09, 2013 11:35 PM
ReadySetLoan Team
ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC - South Windsor, CT
Residential, Commercial & Condo Financing Experts

Thank you all for your comments!

Tim: you make an excellent point. This is a lender overlay but I wanted to bring it to the attention of the community because if some investors are requiring this, it could spread to others but it could also affect pricing.  Granted, there are a wide array of investors.  For example, some lenders are now allowing FHA loans with 580 credit scores!  Who thought we'd see that again?

Lyn/Nina: thank you for advocating for HUD condo approvals.  HOA's are still not understanding the impact of the approval.

Aug 09, 2013 11:53 PM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired
The weakest link in this is the failure of condominium associations to have very little understanding of this process. Their boards have a fiduciary responsibility to the member owners but more often than not have no clue as to what their responsibility is. Volunteers are not trained and the management companies are even more clueless and provide little or no direction on this subject. The amount of work expended for what should be a no brainer is also no surprise. It mirrors government in general.
Aug 10, 2013 12:01 AM
Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

I have had this happen to me. I had one mortgage professional assist the HOA to get back on the list because it had expired. Closed the deal!

Aug 10, 2013 12:53 AM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

I have been saying for years that the VA and FHA should merge their loan programs and let VA loans just be a branch under HUD.  Just shows how inefficient it is to deal with anything remotely related to the government.

Aug 10, 2013 01:00 AM
Rodney Mason, VP of Mtg Lending
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Atlanta, GA
AL,AR,AZ,CA,CO,FL,GA,IN,MI,MS,NC,NV,SC,TN,TX,VA,WA

That's a lender overlay that I have not heard of before.  Just one more reason, the smaller lenders are struggling to compete.  Unless you are direct seller to the agencies, you will be stuck with a lot of Secondary Marketing restrictions.

Aug 10, 2013 01:43 AM
Raymond Denton
Homesmart / Evergreen Realty - Irvine, CA
Irvine Realtor®

>>This still a very little understood issue by townhome buyers and sellers regarding not just VA but FHA mortgages

Townhomes aren't impacted - only Condos.

Aug 10, 2013 02:12 AM
Raymond Denton
Homesmart / Evergreen Realty - Irvine, CA
Irvine Realtor®

Prime Lending has a portfolio program for Condos that aren't HUD approved.  The down payment is 3%, with private mortgage insurance.  Any Agent who does condos should be aware of that program.

Aug 10, 2013 02:14 AM
Bryan Robertson
Los Altos, CA

I think those "approved" lists should be eliminated entirely.  Just put simple criteria like lenders do - nothing in litigation, reserves at certain levels, and that's it. 

Aug 10, 2013 03:33 AM
Kris Deaton
Staged 2 Sold Realty - Irmo, SC
Kris Deaton, Realtor/Designer/Stager

Timely post for me!  I have two condos listed in a complex that is not HUD approved.  I've never sold a condo before so I couldn't figure out why they weren't selling.  Finally realized, after some research, what the problem was.  I worked with the HOA to compile the information needed to submit to HUD.  Fingers crossed that they get approved!  These poor homeowners had no idea why they couldn't sell their condos....they were so affordable and in a perfect location.  In the meantime their property values have plummeted.

Aug 10, 2013 03:34 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

The more the government gets involved... the tougher business becomes. It's that way no matter what business you're in. 

Aug 10, 2013 04:00 AM
ReadySetLoan Team
ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC - South Windsor, CT
Residential, Commercial & Condo Financing Experts

William: I think that little is known about this outside of those who have had to deal with it or those in my field who work with it on a daily basis.

Harry: that's great! Most HOA's don't know how the expiration of the approval impacts them, if they even know it expired at all!

Rob, that is a sound idea but we will never see it.  The VA and HUD do NOT communicate.  There is an animosity between them that is so strong that they can't even speak to each other (source: high-ranking HUD employee).

Rodney, as mentioned above in a previous comment, this is a lender overlay but that doesn't mean that more end-investors won't follow.

Raymond, I will contact you about your condo portfolio program.

Bryan: don't say that!  Then I would have to start another company doing something else :)

Kris- good luck!  If you have any questions about the approval process, please contact me.

Marte: Agreed!  It almost seems like it is done purposefully.

 

Aug 11, 2013 03:57 AM
Kimo Jarrett
Cyber Properties - Huntington Beach, CA
Pro Lifestyle Solutions

Interesting post and information. I'm certain, we as professionals, should know this invaluable information before we list or accept a buyer that fits this scenario. Thanks for sharing.

Aug 11, 2013 06:33 AM
Liane Thomas, Top Listing Agent
Professional Realty Services® - Corona, CA
Bringing you Home!

Wow! That would really be an unexpected and unpleasant surprise. Thank you for sharing, I will now know to check that out for my VA buyers.

Aug 12, 2013 02:22 AM
Jack O'Neal
HomeSmart Elite Group - Gilbert, AZ

I have had this problem, need to know about it up front

Aug 13, 2013 02:05 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Eric, since when do you expect two govenment agencies to talk to each other?  lol

Aug 15, 2013 06:17 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

Hi Eric, Don't expect me to comment on twenty posts per week. I think it is over-kill.

As for the approved list over-lay, if I was the investor I would have the same requirement. Re-sell-ability (is there such a work?) is very important.

And as for 580 FICO scores being allowed, all I can say is "Good." But it is not as simple as that, the lower scores require manual underwriting and may not get approved anyway.

Bill Roberts

Jul 11, 2014 02:38 AM
Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

Have really only had one condo not approved by VA. The reason was about 50% of the units were long term rentals.

Jul 11, 2014 05:55 AM
ReadySetLoan Team
ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC - South Windsor, CT
Residential, Commercial & Condo Financing Experts

Hi Bill - no worries, you won't see 20 posts a week from me.  I'm sticking with the 7-10 range.

Hi Bill - yes, requiring a miniumum lease term of more than 12 months is not agreeable to the VA

Jul 12, 2014 08:53 PM