Who Is Barack - really?

By
Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams Realty Professionals MN Broker #40288835

     While America has some experience with the Clinton's and Hillary specifically during her turn as First Lady and then later as New York Senator , we do not seem to be that familiar with Barack Obama. As many are now considering where to line up their loyalties and hence ultimately their vote - I have been doing some research.  People who are telling me that they are considering voting for Barack for President, say  it is because they view him as a candidate who will make changes.

    Are the changes that Barack wants to make in line with your ideas for this county and yes, even the way that you want to live your life? When questioned, Barack's supporters insist that he is a Christian. What does that mean?  In looking into the doctrine of the church that Barack claims as his own, I see that there are some major issues that would lead me to question whether  they adhere to Christian principles and serve Jesus as Lord and Savior. That is what Christians do.  It isn't a term for good people  or nice people or people who believe that there is a God.  Nope!! It is used for the followers of Christ  - period. People  of whatever color who have placed their very lives and eternal future in Jesus' hands and follow Him as closely as they can.

While Obama has portrayed himself as a candidate for all Americans, his closeness to his minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, tells a different story. For more than two decades, Wright has been Obama’s friend and sounding board, a man he consults before making important decisions like whether to run for president.

In December, Wright praised Louis Farrakhan as a man who epitomizes greatness. Farrakhan has blamed blacks’ troubles on Jews, America, and whites, whom he calls “blue-eyed devils.”

Obama’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago espouses what it calls the Black Value System. While the Black Value System encourages commitment to God, education, and self-discipline, it refers to “our racist competitive society” and includes the disavowal of the pursuit of “middle-classness” and a pledge of allegiance to “all black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System.”

The Black Value System defines “middle-classness” as a way for American society to “snare” blacks rather than “killing them off directly” or “placing them in concentration camps,” just as the country structures “an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.”

    Do we want a white President who puts down blacks or other ethnic groups and maintains that the White man is supreme? Do we want a black President  who maintains that the black people are? 

     Beyond these troubling thoughts are those in which he wants immediate withdrawal from Iraq, leaving them ripe for the picking by the terrorist groups that maintain strength in the region. Just like children need some hand holding and training before they launch out independently , so do these people.  This independence and self governing stuff is new to them. They need mentoring, protection, training of their forces - you know the attacks will come. We need to help them to be ready.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Comments (38)

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RTidd:

Don't let them razz you about showing your face.  You don't have to.  We know who you are.

 

 

Apr 01, 2008 01:14 AM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL
Envy?  That has to rank among the more ignorant comments I've read on AR.  Wow!
Apr 01, 2008 02:25 AM
Broker Nick
South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc. - Coconut Creek, FL
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Oh now Larry, look what you did. You got Tchaka to call you ignorant. That is not a politically correct liberal statement Tchaka. I am going to report you to the liberal democratic party.
Apr 01, 2008 02:39 AM
Broker Nick
South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc. - Coconut Creek, FL
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Oh now Larry, look what you did. You got Tchaka to call you ignorant. That is not a politically correct liberal statement Tchaka. I am going to report you to the liberal democratic party.
Apr 01, 2008 02:39 AM
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Delaware Junk Removal 302-530-9186 - Wilmington, DE
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They may take away his union card? haha
Apr 01, 2008 11:05 AM
Anonymous
RTidd
Bill, I have a sense of humor, so I thought your catoon was funny, but nonetheless a trite attempt to mis-label. Most groups see people on the opposite cliff of the canyon as jumping of the waterfall, into a pile of rocks. Thus when I judge words from your cliff, I hear a similar brand of comedy depicted in your cartoon. Maybe only time will tell us who right or wrong. I'm gonna get back to selling houses now...
Apr 01, 2008 06:04 PM
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Patrick Johnson
Windermere - Bellingham, WA
Tchaka, you are right about the envy statement. But saying "You clearly do not understand the concept of "afro-centrism".  It is not about black superiority (despite what its critics may claim), it's about putting a focus on an African view". Why on earth would someone need to see things from an "african view" when they are american? maybe that is the problem, hmmm?
Apr 02, 2008 03:04 PM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL
Patrick, in that same vein I could ask why we in the US need to see things from a "european view" when we're american.  
Apr 02, 2008 03:40 PM
Kathleen Lordbock
Keller Williams Realty Professionals - Baxter, MN
Keller Williams Realty Professionals

We do need to be aware of how others things and operate but we do not need to see things as they do.  We Americans are different.  We do not strap bombs on babies or people in wheelchairs and send them into the "enemy" camps to kill them.

If you want to live in America and reap the benefits - then be American. Most of us have ancestors from other countries, but we live here now. It  someone doesn't want to live here they can move back to the old country and live like they do there. The black people I know while cherishing their roots do not want to move to Africa and those who do are going there as missionaries to help the people. My roots are European but while it may be a nice place to visit - I live here. This is my country.

Apr 02, 2008 03:53 PM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL
Thanks Kathleen.  Now how exactly does that relate to afrocentrism?  
Apr 02, 2008 03:59 PM
Kevin Robinson
Twin Falls, ID
Fractional Developer

Tchaka you are correct. We are American so we don't need to see things from any other viewpoint. I am not white but I don't go around trying to get people to see things from my viewpoint. The American viewpoint is all that matters. America is the best country on this Earth.

In an earlier post you commented that Barack Obama does not know what it is like to be a poor black man in America. You are probably correct. It does not matter anyways. I have never been a poor black man. Barack has never been a disabled jewish woman. Who cares. What we do care about, however, is what people say and do. In addition, it matters who people affiliate themselves with.

Pastor Wright said some bad things about this country. As a former soldier myself, I defended his right to say those things. For Mr. Obama the problem erupts when he associates with Mr. Wright. I, as an American do not want a President who associates with someone who feels so strongly that America is bad. Tchaka I would like to be your real estate asistant but I think you and firm suck. You probably would not hire me. I would not have your businesses best goals in mind. Mr. Obama may not feel as strongly as his pastor, but if that is the case, why did he continue attending that church? To me it kicks up a red flag.

I will vote for a President who thinks America is number 1 (like I do) and who has its best interests in mind at all times.

Apr 03, 2008 04:31 AM
Kevin Robinson
Twin Falls, ID
Fractional Developer

Rtidd what do you have against the wealthy? You state that we should give power back to the "regular people". Who are the regular people? I am not white and I was raised very poor with no father. I joined the military at age 18, put myself through years of night college to attain an advanced degree, worked a second job from age 22 until age 40 while running my own business, and have just recently become what I consider rich.  Am I a regular person? If not, was I more qualified to make good decisons back when I was poorer?

What is a self-sustaining economy? What are earth replenishing ideas? Please explain these terms.

 I don't want Mr. Obama to be the next President. Am I a hateful right wing water carrier or do I just not like his ideas? Do you like Kathleen or are you a rascist? Maybe you don't like white people. Just because I or you disagree with someone does not mean we are racist.

Rtidd please come forth and defend yourself.

Apr 03, 2008 04:52 AM
Patrick Johnson
Windermere - Bellingham, WA
Tchaka, I suppose that would be a valid point if I was telling people that we should be seeing things from a European point of view, but I'm not. I said we should be looking at things from an American point of view, since that is what all of us are. Also, is claiming that the U.S. government "invented AIDs to commit genocide" an African point of view? I would say its a deranged conspiracy nut point of view, no matter what race the person is that says it, and I would hope that you agree with me on that :-)
Apr 03, 2008 07:56 PM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL

It's a valid point Patrick, you just don't get it.

 

Apr 03, 2008 08:05 PM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL

Kevin, several things:

1.  my comment about not seeing things from a Eurocentric was rhetorical.  

2.  the comment about Barack not knowing what it's like to be a poor black man in America has to do with the original blog post, which has since been modified.  Unless you saw the original, it wouldn't make sense to you.

3.  if you thought that both me and my company suck, you wouldn't be seeking employment from me so whether or not I hire you is moot.  How that relates to Barack, I'm not sure. 

4.  Pastor Wright said some things about the country which came out in an unflattering manner.  Before you jump on the bandwagon and condemn him as others have, how much of him do you know?  How much of his speeches have you listened to?  I'll tell you right now that there are some things our country does/is doing/isn't doing that are an embarrassment.  But what makes you think I don't feel the US is #1?  Criticism is fine.  I would rather people criticize the US so that we can improve than for people to sit with their heads in their rears thinking everything is so wonderful we have no need to do even better.  Then again, I always strive for #1.  It is possible that there are others like me who aren't afraid to recognize our country has flaws and they also want to strive for better. 

 

Apr 03, 2008 08:26 PM
Hugh Krone
Weichert Referral Associates - Hamburg, NJ
Realtor, Sussex County NJ
The man says that he is a Christian and he says he is pro-choice so he is either very misguided or an opportunist liar who will say anything to get elected. I have no respect for him whatsover.
Apr 04, 2008 02:32 AM
Kevin Robinson
Twin Falls, ID
Fractional Developer

Tchaka,

Thanks for the response.

If I think your company sucks, I may want to run it. Even people who hate America want to be in charge. Maybe it was a bad analogy, but I was attempting to show that Mr. Obama attends church in a place where the pastor condemned the US. Oh, yes, I listened to the whole sermon on You Tube, and I still feel that Pastor Wright is out of line. Mr. Obama is guilty by association in that he continued attending that church. Like I stated earlier in another post, I am not white nor black, and I do not like rascist comments by anyone. No ethnic group has some kind of inferred right to speak ill of another group. Pastor Wright calls President Bush a "rich white guy" in a nasty tone. There were people in this country that kept and fought for the right to keep slaves, and there were people in this country who fought to release slaves. A large majority of both groups happened to be white. In his speech, Pastor Wright states that the US government allowed slavery. It also stopped slavery. He tells his congregation that governments fail and that the US government has failed repeatedly and that is why he yells his now famous line " God damn America".

He can believe and even say that. It is his right as an American. I happen to totally disagree with him. The problem here is his statement. If I want to be the CEO of your company, it is OK for me to criticize the company, and have a laundry list of problems that I want to fix. But I don't think that you would hire me if I say your company sucks, and to say God damn America, is akin to saying America sucks. There is more than a fine line between constructive criticism, and outright comdemnation.  I realize that Mr. Obama did not use those same words, but he affiliated closely with one who did. And the problem, in this case, is right at that point.

And one more thing. I just watched another speech by Pastor Wright on YouTube. The man does not like white people or wealthy people. He is keeping his flock down by continuing to tell them that they have it bad, and our country is out to screw them. They may like the chance to vent every Sunday, but they are being kept down, by their Pastor. He won't let them free their minds. But why should he? Just my opinion.

Apr 04, 2008 05:02 AM
Patrick Johnson
Windermere - Bellingham, WA
Actually Tchaka, I'm afraid it is you who doesn't get it, and sadly I doubt you ever will if you can't get it by now.
Apr 04, 2008 10:37 AM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL
Oh no Patrick, you don't get it.  But thanks for stopping by.
Apr 04, 2008 11:19 AM
Broker Nick
South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc. - Coconut Creek, FL
Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service
Tchaka, Wow there is hope for you yet, bravo. Nice comment. You are seeing both sides. Thats fair and balnced, isn't it?
Apr 04, 2008 12:29 PM

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