I'm too dumb too understand

By
Title Insurance with Family Abstract, Inc.

At Family Abstract, I'm confused!  I may die trying to understand how when a buyer purchases a $300,000 home and mortgages all $300,000 and is paying for it for the next 30 years ... how was the commission money paid, not by the buyers?  The Buyer will end up paying 30 years of interest on both sides of the transactions commissions, yet the common belief is it is the sellers money? 

Did the seller just add it to the cost of the home and "In time" the additional 6% was woven into the fair market value as the cost of the home?

What is the real value of the home is it $300,000 or is it $300,000 less the Realtors commissions, Title Insurance fees and any other hard costs that run with the property?

Why when we record the deed do we not get to itemize deductions such as mentioned above and record the deed for the true value of the home Cost - commissions and fees = Recorded Deed amount.  This matters because transfer tax is being paid on Realtors Commissions by both sides no matter who the industry decided was paying the commissions. 

Is this the greatest marketing genius of all time?

Please Help a Title Guy Understand.  And then you can give us a shot at your title insurance work for your clients.

Glenn

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Established in 2002, Family Abstract, Inc. provides Title Insurance to clients and customers throughout Florida, Maryland, New Jersey and Pennsylvania with more than 40 years of combined experience in management alone. We pride ourselves on retaining the most skilled and knowledgeable employees who share our goals of providing the best service in the industry.

Located in Horsham, Pennsylvania, Family Abstract, Inc. maintains an extensive network of skilled title insurance abstractors in all the states we service in addition to a nationwide network of qualified closing agents who are available to close loans at any location.

Backed by the strength of four title insurance underwriters, we are able to provide expert attention to detail without sacrificing versatility in the closing process, thus providing more options in difficult title situations. Due to our depth of industry knowledge and commitment to excellent service, Family Abstract, Inc. has been able to develop client relationships that have endured for decades.

Having successfully settled and insured thousands of transactions, we have already earned the trust and confidence of hundreds of customers, lenders, brokers, and realtors and now we would like to share our expertise with you!

Comments (13)

Edward Hamill
NRT Southeast / Coldwell Banker - Osprey, FL
Market Leader / CBInTouch Expert

could someone please pass the popcorn... this could get good!!!

Aug 27, 2013 06:39 AM
Glenn Freezman
Family Abstract, Inc. - Horsham, PA

Edward, get some butter and salt.  I really hope this does get interesting, I am 50, Graduate from Wharton School of Business and can't for the life of me get this through my head.  I tried to buy a book on Commissions for Dummies but is as sold out.

Yet, in the end, you have no explanation for me?

Aug 27, 2013 06:56 AM
Than Maynard
Coldwell Banker Heart of Oklahoma - Purcell, OK
Broker - Licensed to List & Sell - 405-990-8862

If the seller didn't sell the home there would be no commission, by the same token there would be no commission if the buyer didn't buy the house. But what does it matter?

The seller used part of his profits to pay the agent. This is no different that a car salesman receiving a commission. You buy a $40,000 car, do you argue with the dealership over whether your are paying the salesman or the dealership is? No, the  argument/discussion is simply a straw man that some buyers try to use to negotiate the sales price by reducing an agents commission.

The stupid part is someone gave the buyer a 100% loan. That and the 100%+ loans are what got us into trouble to begin with. New property owner: "I have no money invested in the property what do I care if I walk away in 2-3 years?" 

We all know that almost nothing is paid against the principle the first 5+ years then in a flat or downward market they are upside down when they want to sell.

 

Aug 27, 2013 07:21 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

I agree with Than above ... a 100% loan?  Intriguing ...

Gene

Aug 27, 2013 07:39 AM
Roger D. Mucci
Shaken...with a Twist 216.633.2092 - Euclid, OH
Lets shake things up at your home today!

Beats the hell out of me Glenn, but I had to drop by and say "hey" to a friend.

Aug 27, 2013 08:27 AM
Anna Banana Kruchten CRS, CRB, Phoenix Broker
HomeSmart Real Estate BR030809000 - Phoenix, AZ
602-380-4886

I'm dropping by because I haven't had dinner yet and it's 7:00 and I'm in the office working =- and I read POPCORN!  Let's count those kernels tonight and see how smart we all get!

Aug 27, 2013 11:58 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Glenn - IMHO, only one party (usually) brings money to the closing table and that party pays everyone else sitting around the table.

Aug 28, 2013 03:00 AM
Glenn Freezman
Family Abstract, Inc. - Horsham, PA

Than, I don't hire the car salesman the same way I hire a Realtor.  I am given a sales person in the showroom.  That salesperson is working off a spread that clearly benefits him to work for his boss, the car dealership and not you the customer.  The more of a bump he can get you to put down for a down payment, the higher the sales price he gets you to agree with, the certain model that they have too many on the floor plan all sway the seller of the car, that works for the dealership to sell what they have, not what you want.

With regards to the STUPID PART... Ar you aware that your president has approved certain 105 % financing, with the Federal Government (me and you and everyone else working) guaranteeing the payment.

Aug 28, 2013 03:20 AM
Glenn Freezman
Family Abstract, Inc. - Horsham, PA

Gene, look at the new 105% financing the government is offering, and blog me back when your done shaking your head.

Aug 28, 2013 03:21 AM
Glenn Freezman
Family Abstract, Inc. - Horsham, PA

Anna, you a a Nuetral wonder!

Aug 28, 2013 03:21 AM
Glenn Freezman
Family Abstract, Inc. - Horsham, PA

Roger, your the best!

Aug 28, 2013 03:22 AM
Glenn Freezman
Family Abstract, Inc. - Horsham, PA

Dick, is that a vailed way of saying that the buyer may be the one that pays all the fees?

Aug 28, 2013 03:22 AM
Anonymous
John D Laudenslager

Much ado about nothing. It is what it is and  the sale  makes the economic  world go round.

 

Aug 29, 2013 11:24 PM
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