46 Miles of Barking Beaches

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408

In an unexpected move, County commissioners have decided to allow dogs on Volusia County beaches. Unexpected because there were no discussions, no plans. One commissioner brought it up at the meeting, and after a short discussion it passed 5 votes against 1.

They set it as a pilot program for 3 months, after which time they will decide whether to ban or to keep. Environmental group immediately warned the Feds, that this program can be detrimental to wildlife.

There probably might be other objections. The dogs are only allowed between hours 4 PM and 9 AM, and these are the hours when there is little or no law enforcement.

Before there were only two places in the county, where you could take your dogs to the water. Now the dogs can be everywhere on Volusia County beaches. Strange for a pilot program, where you would expect doing it in certain areas, so that this could really be a poilot program, and it would have allowed for enforcement of the leash rules. Opening 46 miles of beaches for dogs in the evening hours and night hours means that there will be no enforcement.

Dogs on the Beach

Of course, the rule is that dogs have only to be on the leash, but being an avid beachgoer I see quite often dogs without any leash, and it is for years, while we supposedly had a ban.

Allowing dogs on the beach in the evening will unquestionably make the beach a more dangerous place for late beachgoers, as there will be dogs roaming in the darkness.

I have nothing against the dogs on the beach, but with no law enforcement this might be a bad idea.

I do not have a gun, so no more walks on the beach in the dark for me.

Funny how there are groups fighting driving on the beach. Crazy people, cars are not biting, and cars are not allowed on the beach in the evening…

Image by Jonny D Green via Flickr.com

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Marte Cliff
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Hmmm... I hadn't thought about mean dogs being taken to the beach to play, but I suppose that's a possibility.

Interesting that people will holler about the wildlife - are dogs second-rate animals because they're domesticated?

Jan 12, 2014 01:50 PM #1
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Marte - it is not even becuase I expect mean dogs out there. It is because night walk is with very limited light, so you donot see far, and dogs suddenly at your feet would make me cautious. I am working from home, and I have no problem doing it before sunset.

Jan 12, 2014 01:55 PM #2
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Hi Jon - First, I didn't know that an idea could be raised in a County Commission meeting, voted on and passed in the same meeting.  I thought ideas were raised, given to staff to draft, published and voted on after notice to the public in a future meeting with the proposed ordinance being read over several meetings.  Any item should be researched, given to staff and the County Attorney and considered before a vote. Unless there is a real emergency requiring immediate action, the haste of this action is rediculous.  How is the public to be given a chance to be heard if it all occurs in a single meeting.  

Second, Why give permission for dogs in the night time hours - I didn't think even the public was allowed on the beaches (or public parks) during the overnight hours.  (I only lived in Daytona briefly during my first year at Stetson University 40 years ago - then moved to DeLand for the rest of my time at Stetson - a bit further from the beach)  Just what I want to do on my vacation is wander around in the dark stepping in little rememberances of dog poo.  But why not allow dogs when the beach is in use in the daytime hours.  If the dogs would be a problem during the hours of the beach use - then I see no reason to permit them at all.  

This seems like a miserable idea with no prior thought or notice to the public.  These Commissioners have a great career ahead of them in Washington - they will fit right in.

  

Jan 12, 2014 09:33 PM #3
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Mmmm.  Interesting that there's no mention of dog poop!

Watch where you step and let the babies play.

Jan 12, 2014 09:39 PM #4
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Jill Sackler
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Dogs at night? There's always something new and interesting that demands discussion here on AR.

Jan 12, 2014 09:52 PM #5
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Than Maynard
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Very pretty setting. Nice wide beach to play around on.

Jan 12, 2014 10:02 PM #6
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Jon, we had a house on Fort Myers Beach for many years. Dogs were allowed on the beach and we often walked ours on a short part. But, she was always, I mean always, on a leash. Dogs off the leash are just irresponsible.

Jan 12, 2014 10:09 PM #7
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Ted - That's what I thought, but it is not how it happened according to News-Journal.

Here is the quote "The move happened abruptly after Councilman Josh Wagner pitched it toward the end of Thursday’s council meeting. “Might as well throw it out there…” he said. “I want to do a trial, pilot program to allow dogs on the beach.”

This surprised me a lot, I mean the way they made this decision, on the spot, without any serious consideration. I am a biut scared of this government, to tell you the truth.

Here the cars are not aloowed on the beach after dusk (usually after 6 PM even when days are much longer).

I still think that I would live sections of the beach, especially where you have the resorts, to be dog free. We have car-free sections, and they are considered safe for kids, why not use the same discretion for dogs, and keep kids safe?

Jan 12, 2014 10:49 PM #8
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Lenn - there is in the article, and, of course, the owenrs have to clean after their dogs, but judging by the hours they are allowing the dogs tobe on the beach, it will not be haooening in half the cases. One more reason I would not want to walk on the beach, when you donot see clearly what you are stepping into...

Jan 12, 2014 10:51 PM #9
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Jill - yep, our county commissioners have a weird way of making decisions. Right on the spot, with giving no consideratin, no input from people.... Like Ted said, they are ripe for Washington

Jan 12, 2014 10:53 PM #10
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Than - we have excellent wide beaches. They were also very good for people :)

Jan 12, 2014 10:54 PM #11
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Connie - the County is poor, and they cut on the beach enforcemenet. Walking in the evening, even when it is still light, expecially in summer, we see dogs, which were prohibited. And mostly without a leash, and these people never been stopped, or got a ticket.

I would be very surprised to see people late in the evening, when yu have very few people walking the beach, keeping dogs on a leash. there will be roaming dogs...

Jan 12, 2014 10:57 PM #12
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Hi Jon-it doesn't sound like this decision was very well thought out.

Jan 13, 2014 03:21 AM #13
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No, it doesn't, Marco

Jan 13, 2014 05:01 AM #14
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That might at night prove to be some interesting situations Jon. I hope nobody gets bit along the way, but some issues are bound to come up. Seemed like a quick vote I agree.

Jan 13, 2014 06:42 AM #15
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Gary - o matter what the outcome, the way the decisions are made is simply amazing...

Jan 13, 2014 08:40 AM #16
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Seriously, do you really think that there are going to be that many more dog bites now than before?  Any time a dog bites, it's the owner that should be held responsible.

Jan 13, 2014 02:36 PM #17
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With beaches emply of the law enforcement, how woould you hold the owner responsible? But it is not only the bites. It is also the unexpectedness of dogs running to you, and you see them when they are in your face, and the poop... It is all of the above

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