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Upstream and Downstream. We all scream….. AFCI

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Home Inspector with NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Upstream and Downstream. We all scream….. AFCI Chelan Home Inspections

 

Okay we don’t all scream, but many do. The 2014 NEC is moving one step closer to the eventual goal of whole house AFCI (Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter) protection. As a home inspector in Washington State we are required to report the location of any inoperative or missing GFCI and/or AFCI devices when they are recommended by industry standards. So keeping up on these new rules is very important.

 

In review some of the new requirements I had some questions on AFCI protection.  The code provides 6 ways to provide this AFCI protection. In one of the provision options for AFCI branch circuit protection you are allowed to install a listed outlet branch circuit (OBC) type AFCI at the first outlet on the circuit.

 

(OBC type AFCI)

 

So my thought is if we are moving toward whole house protection what about the wiring from the panel breaker to this device?

 

 

Well here is where it gets interesting. It turns out that the outlet branch circuit (OBC) type AFCI will provide both upstream and downstream protection from series arc faults.

 

 

But what about the more dangerous parallel arcs? The OCB type AFCI will only provide downstream protection.

 

Turns out that from studies that wiring from the panel to the OCB AFCI (Home run) a regular circuit breaker usually clears a parallel arc fault for that portion of circuit. This is based on the current being high enough to trigger the trip value of the circuit breaker and due to the fact there is a low impedance path between the breaker and the OCB AFCI device.

 

The impedance is dependent on the circuit length and that is why you only allowed to use the outlet branch circuit (OBC) type AFCI where the home run length is 70 ft or less for 12 AWG and

50 ft or less for 14 AWG.

 

 

 

So as we move to the new standards we as Home Inspectors will be seeing these devices showing up more and more.

 

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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

OK, so if these are everywhere what's going to kill the rats in the attic?  Hmmm?

And I am not sure there were that many faults with the ark.  Satellites seem to have photographed something that has its exact shape and size.  Mr. Arcarat or something like that.

Jun 21, 2014 01:15 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Dang, Those rats will be getting a free ride again : )

Jun 21, 2014 01:25 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Well, that's what happens when bureaucrats get involved with what goes into houses.

Hey, the word bureaucrat ends with what?  RAT?

Like you said - free ride.

Jun 21, 2014 05:31 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jay, there are actually very few (if any) bureaucrats involved in developing the NEC and public input is much easier than with governments.

Jun 21, 2014 08:15 AM
TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc.
Complete Home Inspections, Inc. - Brentwood, TN
Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029

Good evening Donald. Just another layer of minutia we have to deal with in the inspection world and something else we will have to dodge the attorneys on. Personally, I will have to take a wait and see attitude to see if the DC bureaucrats will enact.

Jun 21, 2014 09:42 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

https://www.cpsc.gov/en/Regulations-Laws--Standards/Voluntary-Standards/Topics/Arc-Fault-Circuit-Interrupters/

Very little, very little bureaucrat  input.

https://www.cpsc.gov//PageFiles/107517/2008nec.pdf

Notice who is is writing the letter to "make" (the bureaucrat  word) authorities "consider" (the bureaucrat  word) the NEC code adoptions?

I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.  Ad nauseum.

It is demand push inflation! 

What's inflated?  The Nannys!  And what the Nannys want!

Soon everything will be cement.  Including bicycle helmets.  And 32 oz soda cups (so they are too heavy to carry around and purchase).  And light bulbs.

Very little bureaucrat  input.

Who never has to dodge the attorneys, to use Michael's word?

The bureaucrats!

 

;> ]

 

Jun 21, 2014 10:02 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jay, if you are going to define bureaucrats that narrowly us home inspectors are also bureaucrats

Jun 21, 2014 10:10 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Good gosh, what happens WITHOUT bureaucrat involvement?  And we open up and let them shovel.

So, who's the problem here?

And those of us who are tired of it are what, extremists?

Alrighty then!

Jun 21, 2014 10:13 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Study Diocletian and tell me we home inspectors are what he imagined.

We are bureaucrats?  Ludwig von Mises wrote a book I highly recommend, Bureaucracy.

It's a short and sweet read.

Jun 21, 2014 10:14 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Bureaucracy is exactly that Charlie (I just saw your comment).  Control of a very narrow place, highly defined, extremely decentralized and narrow.  Oh, I said narrow.

Yeah, narrow.

Our scope, as home inspectors, seems to be growing because of the Nanny garden.  That's not getting more and more narrow!

I see myself as a consultant and advisor.  Not bureaucrat!

Jun 21, 2014 10:16 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

bu·reau·crat

[byoor-uh-krat] 
noun
1.
an official of a bureaucracy.
2.
an official who works by fixed routine without exercising intelligent judgment.
 
Key words - "without exercizing intelligent judgment."
 
I am NOT a bureaucrat!
Jun 21, 2014 10:18 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, I think this is one area that is right. I know many do not believe in these devices but I for one think there are actually a very good idea. The level of protection they provide for the relative low cost I think is well worth it.  

 

Michael, Here in Washington State there is no waiting it comes July 1st. So as a home inspector and licensed by our state we have to deal with it. For me it does not add much of anything to what I am already doing.

 

We all can have our opinions and that is awesome. 

Jun 21, 2014 12:25 PM
Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

Good morning Donald. I don't normally read the comment that others have made, but this time I'm glad I did. Nice job sharing the information in your post.

Jun 21, 2014 08:32 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

And when they are everywhere people will paint them just the same as they do now with GFIs!  If they are in the panel boxes people will be going in their boxes every day to click this or that circuit back on!

It isn't that I don't believe in them.  But unless they can protect me from my 32oz soda I'm not completely sold.

Says he with a further wink to Buddy Don.

Jun 21, 2014 11:05 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

After my last comment yesterday I was laughing so hard I called Charlie to laugh with him.

Sometimes my jests are half fun, half serious.  I like to see the fit hit the shan.

Jun 22, 2014 03:16 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, You maybe right there on the painting. But oh well they will get to replace them again ;)

 

Joe, Thanks.

Jun 24, 2014 01:47 AM