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Siding And A Wall Overwhelmed By Water

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

This is the case of siding and a wall overwhelmed by water.  When a client calls with a problem to investigate, even someone I know, like Margaret Woda, I am always excited by the prospect.

She sent me a photograph of a spot outside a house that not only showed moisture but damage.  Pretty sure I had it diagnosed from the photo, but I needed to see it to determine if what I thought was the cause.

The house next door, the one to the right in this photo, has all of its rear roof rain water collected and then drained by one downspout.

I estimated the total roof surface to be about 700 square feet.

The upper roof drains directly into the gutter of the lower roof, shown in the red circle.

A gallon of rain water is contained in an area 21"x11"x1".  During a heavy rain this one small downspout is expected to discharge between 400 and 450 gallons for each inch of rain.

Obviously that would overwhelm it, including splashing over the gutter, especially as so much water is rushing toward one spot.  Doubling the problem is the lack of a kick-out flashing at the chimney of the subject house on the left.

Built today kick-out flashing would be required at this location.  This house was built in 1984 however, and there is none.  This complicates the problem.

Perhaps hard to see in this photo staining can be seen on the gutter, downspout, chimney siding and beige house siding.

Certainly this is a source of the moisture, if not THE source.

Testing my theory I turned on the hose and sprayed water right at that red circle for about 10 seconds.

After, while  watching the pattern of water draining down the siding, my theory proved correct.   The dripping and splatter was a direct hit onto the retaining wall between the houses.

Damage to the concrete block in the wall is evident.  This has been happening little by little for a long time.  Think Grand Canyon!  From here a mason or engineer can be contacted about the concrete block.  But the neighbors have to be contacted about the overflowing rain water!

A larger lower gutter (a covered, 6" gutter would be the Best Practice) and downspout will likely solve most, if not all, of the overflowing problem.  And the gutter will no longer be overwhelmed.

My recommendation:  home inspectors do small jobs too!  Try calling one to see.   Sometimes a solution to a problem is not found, but oftentimes it is!  And an objective opinion can be rendered.  Peace of mind is worth a million bucks.  But your home inspector won't charge that much.

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(36)

Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Gary - water is THE killer of houses, inside and out.

Thanks Tom.  How else to know?

Don - the house is 1984 vintage, so I expect for about that long!

Thank you Richie.  This was a fun one!

Suzanne - it did not come up on the home inspection report (which is why they called me, to investigate).  So I guess nobody saw it as a problem.

Sep 19, 2014 06:22 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

S&N - Margaret had a long way to drive to see me!

Thanks Sybil.  I think I nailed the problem and my solution likely will work too.

Kevin - the downspouts and where they discharge are something I look at on every inspection.

Sep 19, 2014 06:24 AM
David Pylyp
RE/MAX Realty Specialists Inc., - Toronto, ON

That was a good lesson

Thank you

 

Sep 19, 2014 10:49 AM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

That was a great catch. This is certainly a case where 'I learn so much on ActiveRain' would be appropriate

Sep 19, 2014 11:34 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

Jay- a great job of diagnosing the problem.  I hope the neighbor will cooperate and the problem will be resolved.

Sep 19, 2014 12:25 PM
Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

When you have an issue the evidence with water always show up somewhere. The solution is not always easy.

Sep 19, 2014 12:26 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Jay Markanich wow - such a simple solution for a big problem. (Well, not as big as Grand Canyon...lol!)

Sep 19, 2014 01:59 PM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher
Really secure those insurance claims. This can happen to everyone.
Sep 19, 2014 04:00 PM
Jon Quist
REALTY EXECUTIVES ARIZONA TERRITORY - Tucson, AZ
Tucson's BUYERS ONLY Realtor since 1996

Yet another well explained and well illustrated problem situation by Jay. Always the best posts.

Sep 19, 2014 05:10 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

David - thanks.  That's why I come to AR, as I learn so much.

Ed - learning is probably the most valuable thing about this site.

Me too Joan.  I expect so.

That's true John.  But with water there is a solution.

Not yet Praful.  That may take a bit longer.

Sep 19, 2014 06:37 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Laura - hopefully this won't come to insurance.  But it does require that both neighbors cooperate!

Jon - thank you.  My legal name is Jon by the way, spelled that way!  I've been Jay since I was about 2.

Sep 19, 2014 06:38 PM
Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

That's a great reminder - that inspectors don't just do full inspections, but can review small issues as well.  Good catch!

Sep 19, 2014 09:30 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

Time for that dreaded neighborly discussion...yikes

Sep 20, 2014 12:08 AM
Jimmy Chickey
Keller Williams Realty Southwest - Las Vegas, NV
Realtor, Nationally Recognized Author, Teacher

We dont get alot of rain out here in Vegas, but I still found your post fascinating. Thanks for the info.

Sep 20, 2014 01:07 AM
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

I would think that the HOA would get involved if that owner did not want to correct the problem. 

Sep 20, 2014 03:42 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Kat - and why not?  What better resource than an objective home inspector?

S&D - any time money is involved, well, things get dicey.

Jimmy - water is water!  What happens with it in one place will happen any place!

Joe - this is in the rear behind fences.  It would show up on no HOA inspection, but hopefully the nazis arent' called in to mediate...

Sep 20, 2014 07:39 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

See this all the time. A standard sized gutter and downspout expecting to capture all the water from the gutter above. Logic would tell us...

Sep 20, 2014 09:55 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Logic, nature, physics and that code enforced by Mother Nature, Jim.

She is a cruel one, that lady.

Sep 20, 2014 10:44 PM
Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Jay, what seems to ba a solution is often the basis for a problem. Enjoy your day!

Sep 22, 2014 08:53 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

These sorts of gutter/downspout arrangements are so common Wayne.  And the problem is set up from the beginning by the builder.

Sep 22, 2014 09:15 PM