Should you pull a permit for your remodeling job?

By
Managing Real Estate Broker with LoKation Real Estate

Should you pull a permit for your remodeling job? The very short answer is YES! I am by no means an expert in home repair, remodeling projects, codes or anything that resembles that type of work. However, permits are there for a reason, and most homeowners that do not pull them are just Handymantrying to save a few bucks, but it will eventually come back to bite them in the handyman trousers.

I was in a great class today on appraisals, valuation and proper pricing, and we started to discuss the home remodeling projects, most specifically how a non-permitted basement finish will not only lose the value of the finished square feet, the new guidelines call for the appraiser to make a note in the appraisal stating "non-permitted" basement finish. This can cause serious repercussions for the seller and for the buyer if they indeed do somehow go through with the purchase and decide to sell later, it is now their problem.

The reason for the permits is simple, to make sure that everything being added is up to the current professional standards, that the work is being done by a licensed professional and that the work is safe. Pulling permits prior to getting the work done is just a cost of the project and a minimal cost at that. Having to pull permits after the fact can be incredibly costly in more ways than one.

Pulling permits after the fact will be costly because the inspector will have to come out, poke holes in the walls to make sure that the work was done properly and then the repair will be an additional expense.

If you are trying to sell your house and you have a couple comps with similar square footage and finished basements, and they pulled permits and you did not, an appraiser will not count the finished square footage in the basement and will make a note of it in the appraisal, it more than likely will not appraise if your sales price is based on comps with finished basements. 

ContractorSo lets say you put $50K into your basement and a permitted basement would add about $30K in value, you have just lost that $30K, and more importantly the sale and possibly a few thousand more to right the situation and then more time on market.

If you are thinking of selling and have done this, you are by no means alone, it can be remedied. My suggestion would be to call the county assessors and let them know, get an inspector out to the property and start the process, expect to pay at least 2-4 times as much as it would have cost you initially for these inspections, they will take much longer and cause damage to work done, if you have schematics of the work done by the "professional" this could seriously help matters, the more you can offer as a blueprint to the work that was done, the less prodding and poking the inspector will have to do.

In the end you might end up paying a few thousand to correct the project, however you could end up losing several thousand if you do not correct the project, or you could simply list it, let your agent know that the work was not permitted, have them price it accordingly and disclose to the buyers that this work was not permitted.

It's your call, as the old Fram filter commercial used to say "you can pay me now, or pay me later"

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Comments (41)

John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Eileen Burns Yep, I am amazed that people will step on a buck to save a dime

Winston Heverly Thnak you and my best to you in the 4th quarter as well.

David Shamansky So foolish, some people just are not thinking

Laura Cerrano No Shenannigans (sp) gonna happen on my watch

Oct 08, 2014 09:47 AM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Amanda and Jared Christiansen, YOUR Fort Wayne Realtors Yep, Like one comment said, a lot of people think they are never gonna move so what does it matter, but boy does it matter. Pull those permits

Jackie Connelly-Fornuff Glad to hear that it is a quick process in Babylon

 

Oct 08, 2014 09:50 AM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Shannon Milligan, Richmond VA Real Estate Agent Good job in educating them, we can only do so much and thankfully it worked out even though they did not heed your advice

Richie Alan Naggar Author PEARLS SERIES of books I am guessing a lot of people have done it both ways, it sounds like things are going to tighten up quite a bit now, so we best play by the rules going forward.

Oct 08, 2014 09:53 AM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Richard Iarossi I agree, this will come into play a lot more going forward and they are pretty strict here as well. I guess some people just think what they don't know won't hurt'em

Tom Bailey Your friend was fortunate, at least from the aspect of correcting the situation

Oct 08, 2014 09:56 AM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Brian Schulman We have all heard those types of horror stories, I would want to avoid that if at all possible

Rod Pierson Very similar here, I understand if walls are moved, rooms are added and basements finished it is mandatory, anytime major electrical or plumbing is being added or altered a permit needs to be pulled

Oct 08, 2014 10:00 AM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Karen Mathers - YOUR Vero Beach Realtor Absolutely, Time and money

Barbara Altieri Yep, and wise buyers will ask to see them

Mike & Eve Alexander Good for you and good for your clients for choosing to work with you

Oct 08, 2014 10:04 AM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Gary L. Waters, Broker Owner Waters Realty of Brevard, LLC Sounds like very good advice, I assume that is why he was the commander, I will have to remember that one

Sybil Campbell Thank you and I agree.

Oct 08, 2014 10:06 AM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Kevin Mackessy Yep, now that you say it, I wonder of my 40 year old home ever had permits pulled, my floors are all over the place

Joe Pryor We have a very similar form with that question also on it, if they answer yes they have a couple options, pull permits and do it right or reduce the price accordingly so the new owners can , which could be very sticky, best to do it right the first time

 

Oct 08, 2014 10:09 AM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Jason Boone Thank you for stopping by and you are welcome, yes do it right

Oct 08, 2014 10:10 AM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Joan Whitebook Love those handyman trousers, my wife will not let me own a pair, she is afraid I actually might try to fix something.

Oct 08, 2014 10:13 AM
Mike McCann - Nebraska Farm Land Broker
Mike McCann - Broker, Mach1 Realty Farmland Broker-Auctioneer Serving Rural Nebraska - Kearney, NE
Farm Land For Sale 308-627-3700 or 800-241-3940

Oyyye  John Marshall - FORE! aside from it being the law in most cities...and for tax purposes as well...I cannot see why a person would want to avoid a permit.

No permit always raises red flags!!

Oct 08, 2014 01:05 PM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

I am hearing that more and more lenders are requiring the permits.. I would recommend that homeowners pull the necessary permits.  they tend to cost 100's while failure to pull permit can result in owners losing thousands.

Oct 08, 2014 02:07 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Andover, MA
Andover, MA: Andover Luxury Homes For Sale

John Marshall - FORE! - a one-liner to stress the importance of permits ...

"The reason for the permits is simple, to make sure that everything being added is up to the current professional standards,"

Oct 08, 2014 03:08 PM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher

I agree with you, Praful. To thine instinct be true indeed without question! :) STANDARDS :)

Oct 08, 2014 04:57 PM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher

Thanks for the spelling, John Marshall - FORE! 

Oct 08, 2014 04:58 PM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

It is important for home buyers of resale homes to ask if there were permits for improvements made to the house and ask sellers to show  them.

Oct 08, 2014 08:52 PM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Mike McCann - Nebraska Land Broker It was interesting to see the appraisers persepective.

Praful Thakkar Some people just want to see what they can get away with

Laura Cerrano Did I spell it right? Shimmin and shammin!

Oct 09, 2014 08:31 AM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Gita Bantwal Absolutely and something I will be much more aware of when I am out with buyers

Oct 09, 2014 08:32 AM
Bradford Bateman Jr.
Coldwell Banker - Cape Coral, FL
Managing Broker - Coldwell Banker

I called my county to ask about needing a permit to install new kitchen cabinets and they said no as long as no changes were made to location of plumbing.

Oct 09, 2014 01:58 PM
John Marshall - FORE!
LoKation Real Estate - Cherry Hills Village, CO
Specializing in Golf Course Properties

Bradford Bateman Jr. My understanding is if no electrical or plumbing is being added or dramatically altered then permits are not required for remodel projects, but always on additions and basement finishes

 

Oct 10, 2014 05:50 AM

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