Mortgage Disclosures: Old Explanations vs New Definitions

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Mortgage and Lending with Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 NMLS #1012303

I was recently directed to an article on Bankrate.com that was said to be a "great" (or similar words) explanation of the difference between "Interest Rate" and "Annual Percentage Rate".  The article explained that, "{t}he interest rate is the cost of borrowing the principal loan amount...."  The article then stated that, "{t}he APR is a broader measure of the cost of your mortgage because it reflects the interest rate as well as other costs such as broker fees, discount points and some closing costs".    The article then explained that a lower APR would be good for a long-term period of ownership while a higher APR would be more favorable for a short-term ownership period, reasoning that lower fees and a higher rate would be better for a short term owner.

The explanation used in this article roughly reflects the explanation that I used while closing loans over a period of about 30+ years.  The article itself is not dated.  My instinct was to look again at the definitions that the CFPB enacted with their revision of Regulation Z, 12 CFR, Title 12, as I knew in the back of my mind that these  definitions had been changed if only technically but resulting in the same practical effect. 

Under the currect version of Regulation Z as enacted by CFPB, "APR" is defined at 12 CFR, Section 1026.22.  That definition states that the APR is, "a measure of the cost of credit, expressed as a yearly rate that relates the amount and timing of value received by the consumer to the amount and timing of payments made. The annual percentage rate shall be determined in accordance with either the actuarial method or the United States Rule method".  Section 1026.22(a)(ii)(4)(i) indicates that the APR "results from the disclosed finance charge. 

The term "finance charge" is defined at 12 CFR, Section 1026.4.  While the definition of "finance charge" has been expanded tremendously in terms of the details of the phrase, the phrase is still basically the interest rate plus the fees, points and discounts paid for the loan (to both lender and broker), and excludes a number of fees and charges as long as the additional fees and charges are itemized and disclosed separately.  The term, "interest rate" as stated in Black's Law Dictionary has been the same for ages and is the simply stated as compensation paid for the use of someone else's money.

I think if someone closing a loan today were to provide the borrower with the definition of APR as enacted by CFPB, the borrower would have no idea what the term really means.  And, to provide the definition of finance charge that goes on for pages would add to the confusion. 

It seems to me that the old explanations are still suitable today as a practical matter to give a clear and concise explanation of the terms although the technical definitions have changed.  Makes me wonder if the changes were really necessary, but you can bet that I will be studying them when I prepare for my NMLS exam in the next few days.  Good luck on your exam, if you are among the chosen few that need to face that obstacle every year.

The foregoing does not constitute legal advise or a legal opinion, but is only the personal thoughts and conclusions of the author.

 

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Comments (21)

Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Kevin Mackessy - I completely agree with you.  The explanations however need to be simple, straight-forward and brief.  If you use the regulatory language to explain these concepts, however, you are going to overwhelm most people and prolong the closing to an extreme.

Oct 30, 2014 02:25 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Randy the APR was a good idea, but it has failed to accomplish what it was meant to do.  Even those who have been in the industry for a while don't really understand it and most do not know what fees go into to determining the APR.  One good thing about the the new GFE that goes into effect next May is that it does not highlight the APR as much as it is now on the TIL, and puts it into a much more appropriate content.

Oct 30, 2014 02:53 AM
Fred Griffin Tallahassee Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

   Ditto what George Souto said in comment #3. 

   I have been in the real estate industry for 30 years.   APR has always been a confusing concept - not just to Buyer/Borrowers, but even to real estate agents, title people, and yes... some lenders.

Oct 30, 2014 03:22 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

George Souto - I agree that when it was introduced it was fairly useful and could be easily explained by most who needed to explain it, and at the same time it was ignored by a lot of borrowers, but the revised APR is a crazy definition that I had to read more than a few times.  I am glad that some o0f the emphasis will be removed from this number.

Fred Griffin - yes, there were and are a number of people who should understand it and don't.  As George mentions, there will be less emphasis on it next year, assuming CFPB does not amend the new rules.

Oct 30, 2014 03:28 AM
Mike McCann - Nebraska Farm Land Broker
Mike McCann - Broker, Mach1 Realty Farmland Broker-Auctioneer Serving Rural Nebraska - Kearney, NE
Farm Land For Sale 308-627-3700 or 800-241-3940

Perhaps borrowers should be brought up to speed on both front end and backside fees or costs or commissions generated from their loan as well. 

There is no easy way to explain everything and I agree with you on how to approach it.

Leave it to a bureaucrat to complicate it.

Oct 30, 2014 08:02 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Mike McCann - Nebraska Land Broker  - most people are interested in the mount of the monthly payment, the "interest rate" and the bottom line cost that they have to pay, expressed as dollars.  They are not interested in APR and other required disclosures, for the most part.  I have sat through enoughg mortgage closings to know that most people are just not interested in a lot of the required details.

Oct 30, 2014 08:09 AM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Some very good information in your post. It seems CFPB is a piece of work still in the making. 

Oct 30, 2014 08:56 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Pamela Seley, REALTOR® - I have a legal background and I am almost afraid to quote rules, regulations and statutes that come from CFPB as they have so many amendments and changes and are just all around very confusing.  I think they also have done a lot of "wheel spinning" to fix things that were not necessarily broken.  But NMLS and the State say we need to know this stuff for our annual CE exam, so....

Oct 30, 2014 09:01 AM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Randy Kirsch best of luck on your exam. I'm sure you will do well as you are very knowledgeable.  

Oct 30, 2014 09:35 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Pamela Seley, REALTOR® - thanks much for the vote of confidence.  Make it a great evening.

Oct 30, 2014 09:42 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

@Randy Kirsch ... I totally get that we all try to put into laymen's terms the definitions of much of what we Lenders do.  But you're absolutely correct when you say the bulk of our clients truly just do not care about the majority of what we're now expected to explain or document. 

They want the bottomline most of the time ... and perhap the answers to a few select questions.  Their eyes typically glaze over when you try to explain APR ...

Gene

Oct 30, 2014 10:39 AM
Michael Frank
American United Mortgage Corp. - Sandy Springs, GA

I always tell my borrowers that the note interest rate is how their payments are calculated. Then they don't get too worried about the APR.

Oct 30, 2014 12:34 PM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

I find this very confusing so I would not be surprised that buyer find this confusing as well.

Oct 30, 2014 12:37 PM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Gene Mundt, Chicago-area Mortgage Lender - www.genemundt.com  - most people are bored, anxious to get the closing over with and barely look at most of the documents long enough to figure out where they sign and I always give them a hint.

Michael Frank is absolutely right, people want the simple facts, interest rate, amount of payment and how much this all going to cost them, and with that they are happy and on their way out the door.

Joan Whitebook I find the new regulations more confusing than the old.  I wonder if we are going the wrong way sometimes.

Oct 30, 2014 08:40 PM
Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

Good morning Randy. I am currently doing a mortgage for an attorney. He and his wife are buying a new home in Florida. He has done mortgage closing for 40 plus years. This in not the first time I have done a mortgage for them and each time I explain APR and each time he says the same thing. I don't truly understand APR, how does anyone else.

Well deserved feature!

Oct 30, 2014 11:47 PM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Joe Petrowsky  Good Morning.  Yes, sad but true, there are those involved in the mortgage process from loan processors to attorneys and back again , that just don't understand the technicalities of TILA, RESPA and more.  What a tremendous effort it would require to educate these people.

Oct 31, 2014 12:45 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

APR was one of those subjects for me that no matter how many times it was explained, I didn't get it...One day I did. That is why I advocate simplicity. Loan docs and IRS as well...remain distant. Why?

Oct 31, 2014 12:49 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Richie Alan Naggar Author PEARLS SERIES of books , perhaps that is how they maintain a position of superiority and dominance over those who are less knowledgeable or less intelligent, and the bureaucrats hide behind this shroud of mystery and darkness because they are just as afraid of  us as we are of them.

Oct 31, 2014 01:38 AM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Andover, MA
Andover, MA: Andover Luxury Homes For Sale

 Randy Kirsch - the initial intention was to make it easy for consumer and then it gets complicated - perhaps true for most of the things like APR.

And frankly, there are many buyers who still do not get the whole picture. 

Oct 31, 2014 12:46 PM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Praful Thakkar - nice to hear from you, thanks.  Yes, people are interested in ther monthly payment and bottom line cost and not all the legal jargon that goes with a real estate closing.  A lot of time, money, and effort goes into things that a lot of people don't even begin to appreciate.

Oct 31, 2014 09:02 PM

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