Witness Only Closings

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Mortgage and Lending with Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 NMLS #1012303

A practice that is becoming common-place around the country is referred to as "Witness Only Closings".  These closings are attended by an attorney who is solely at the closing to act as a witness and to notarize documents.  A number of states, most recently Georgia, are finding that the actions of the attorney are in fact unethical.  The attorney is there only to act as a figurehead and lend credibility to the closing and is not involved from start to finish in any aspect of the real estate closing.  The reason behind the witness only closing poractice is simple, the buyer / borrower saves money.  However, the buyer / borrower may spend more money in the long run when he is faced with a problem down the road that could have otherwise been avoided if the buyer / borrower had been represented by counsel at the closing.

The attorneys are being accused of misrepresentation by showing up at a closing with no intention of doing anything more than acting as a witness and notarizing documents.  Of course misrepresentation by an attorney is unethical conduct and is punishable by anything from a slap on the wrist to disbarrment or suspension.  In these "witness only closings", documents are prepared by the lender and sent to the attorney along with a set of closing instructions.  Some lenders go so far as to warn the attorney not to review the documents or explain them to the borrower, or otherwise render any legal advice to anyone at the closing table.  The Georgia Supreme Court stated that, "a lawyer’s failure to review closing documents can facilitate foreclosure fraud, problems with title and other errors that may not be detected until the owner attempts to refinance, sell or convey the property". 

A related problem involves situations where lenders hire notaries to conduct the closing of a loan, without a lawyer being involved or present in any manner whatsoever.  Practice Book Section 2-44A of the Connecticut Rules of the Superior Court indicates that conducting a real estate closing is the practicing law in the State of CT.  The U.S. District Court for the Northern District of West Virginia, in the case of Dijkstra v. Carenbauer, et al. in fact found a notary guilty of the unauthorized practice of law for handling a real estate closing without the supervision of an attorney.

These measures by lenders are designed to save the buyer / boirrower money and to otherwise expedite the closing process.  We all know that when an attorney is involved, things will not go smoothly, problems will be created and things will be delayed, RIGHT?? 

I can think of more instances where the buyer / borrower was glad to have representation at the closing than not.  It is absolutely imperative, IMHO, for both buyer and seller to have their attorney at the closing to represent and protect their interests.  Cutting corners by lenders in an effort to save money and time should not be tolerated and should be reported to the appropriate authority.  I hope you will join the effort to stop these unethical and illegal practices in real estate closings.

 

 

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Comments (60)

Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Nina Hollander - I am not sure if a buyer can opt for a witness only closing.  I think the lenders are controling how the closing is handled. I think it might be a question that a buyer needs to ask upfront so that if it is witness only closing, the buyer will be alerted and will have a chance to get a lawyer to protect his interests before it is too late.

Nov 04, 2014 09:22 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

New to me but not necessary in my business operations...thank you

Nov 04, 2014 10:07 PM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Richie Alan Naggar Author PEARLS SERIES of books - now you know, at least.  Make it a great day.

Nov 04, 2014 10:36 PM
Andrew Mooers | 207.532.6573
MOOERS REALTY - Houlton, ME
Northern Maine Real Estate-Aroostook County Broker

We have lots of sit downs, just an attorney for the closing when the wire comes in and the fed ex package. Or two part closings with buyer's lawyer gets money, seller's lawyer provides deed and we walk the two to the registry, get the deal done.

Nov 04, 2014 10:44 PM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Andrew Mooers - that is the way things would go in CT before the lenders brought in Notaries and so forth and changed everything.  I prefer the sit down and get everything right.

Nov 05, 2014 01:51 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

By the time we get to closing, the issues are addressed.  If not, no deal.  Parties can hire their own lawyers if they want to -- I have yet to have a client request an attorney or hire one on a simple residential purchase.  No one is excluding the right of a buyer / seller to hire their own lawyer.  In fact, the contracts state that they may.   No one does.  And oddly enough . . . transactions close every day and business keeps on churning, sans closing lawyers.  Yippee!

Nov 05, 2014 02:19 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Carla Muss-Jacobs, Principal Broker/Owner  - you are lucky that things can be done so easily in your state.  I do wonder how things get handled when there is a legal question and no lawyers arew involved.  I trust brokers are not getting involved in practicing law without a license.

Nov 05, 2014 02:56 AM
Sussie Sutton
David Tracy Real Estate - Houston, TX
David Tracy Real Estate for Buyers & Sellers

Thankfully,  no one has asked for a witness attorney only, nor have I attended any closings where there is one. I hope I never do either.

Nov 05, 2014 04:16 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Sussie Sutton - there was another comment or two from people in Texas thast indicated that attorneys are not used for closings in your state. If that is the case you should not encounter the situation under discussion.  Thanks for sharing.

Nov 05, 2014 04:48 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

When a loan is involved in Georgia the attorney does not in fact represent the buyer at all, the attorney represents the lender and all buyers sign a document stating this has been explained and they understand it.  If a buyer wants their own attorney they have to hire them.  Cash buyers however are different.

Nov 05, 2014 05:23 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Tammy Lankford - we have that situation in CT as well, but the attorney can represent both the lender and the buyer assuming a conflict of interest letter is signed by the lender and the buyer.  Wiotness only closings which are discussed by the GA Supreme Court involve a lawyer who only acts as a witness and is specifically told by the lender to not review the documents or anything of such nature and not to provide any legal advice.  Sounds like the lawyers that you have been involved with at least did something to earn their fee.

Nov 05, 2014 05:50 AM
Kevin Mackessy
Blue Olive Properties, LLC - Highlands Ranch, CO
Dedicated. Qualified. Local.

Haven't had to deal with one of these, but good to know the inner workings of it.  Learn something every day. 

Nov 05, 2014 05:56 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

I have had a couple of "witness only" closing I've attended, but it has been when an attorney in another state has done the work and represented the lender, and the local attorney only witnessed signing.  Buyers signed a hold harmless and understood banks attorney was in another state.  Witness closings came about in my state when a law passed making it the law an attorney must attend closings.  Sometimes it's NOT the actual closing, but just one party signing, yet an attorney must attend.  I think they got the ruling wrong myself.  I did however forward it to my favorite attorneys to help keep them out of hot water.

Nov 05, 2014 06:16 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Tammy Lankford - thanks for sharing the insight.

Kevin Mackessy  - hope you never have to deal with this, you are lucky.

Nov 05, 2014 06:21 AM
Jason Potrzeba
Webster Bank - Providence, RI
Mortgage Banking Officer

This is on the buyer. I don't see how it saves the lender any money when all they have to do is pass on the cost of an attorney to the buyer/borrower...

Nov 06, 2014 04:01 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Jason Potrzeba - Right, the lender is cutting corners to attract business and the buyer ends up on the short end.

Nov 06, 2014 05:25 AM
Claude Labbe
Real Living | At Home - Washington, DC
Realty for Your Busy Life

No. No. No.  I had one of these a few years ago in Virginia, and it was such an unmitigated disaster.  Sure, the buyer saved money, but by the end, we had to keep him away from the attorney who'd driven up from NC to do the deal.  The buyer's agent and I both thought we'd have bloodshed. 

Fortunately, my seller client was out of state and had signed all documents before hand.

It was ugly,ugly, ugly.

I'd never allow (or I would stronly strongly discourage) any client from this.

Nov 07, 2014 12:35 PM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Claude Labbe - thanks for sharing your experience.  This just highlights what the problem is and shows that a qualified, competent real estate attorney is absolutely required in those states where the custom is to have the closing coordinated and run by an attorney.  There are states where escrow closings are performed w/o attorneys, but they have a procedure in place.  Most of the east coast is set up for attorneys to do the closing and w/o the attorney, you just don't know what is going to happen.  Thanks again for sharing.  Make it a great weekend.

Nov 07, 2014 06:17 PM
Tammy Adams ~ Realtor / Podcaster
Maricopa Real Estate Co - Maricopa, AZ
A Maricopa Agent who Works, Lives & Loves Maricopa

we do not have this practice in Arizona, so this is interesting information. Thanks for sharing

Nov 08, 2014 02:18 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Tammy Adams - as I understand, AZ is an escrow closing state so, right, you would not need to deal with this situation.  Thanks for sharing.  Make it a great weekend.

Nov 08, 2014 07:10 AM

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