Loan Application Process And Self-Employed Borrowers

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Mortgage and Lending with Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 NMLS #1012303

An article on CNBC this morning entitled, "Self-employed? Good luck getting a mortgage" caught my eye.  Tomorrow I will be doing my first mortgage application with a potential borrower who is self-employed.  I asked the lady to bring the usual items, last 2 years of tax returns, bank statements, and retirement account information.  She volunteered to bring the tax returns for her company which is a charitable organization.

According to the report by CNBC, more lenders are likely to respond to requests for rate quotes from "employed" individuals than would respond to requests for rate tax returnsquotes from self-employed people.  Lenders apparently do not want the extra hassles that go along with taking an application from a self-employed individual.

In addition, some lenders (at a minimum) look at both individual as well as corporate tax returns for self-employed individuals who own the entity through which they do business.  While my potential borrower has volunteered to bring her corporate tax returns, I was not informed that we needed to see those at least at this point, although, I can see where a lender might want to look at those tax returns at some point in the approval process.  However, I do not see that as creating "way more paperwork" as indicated by a quote from a mortgage lender in the report.

One self-employed borrower indicated that the lender "googled" her as part of the loan application process.  That is a practice that I have not heard is being done by lenders on a wide-spread basis.

There is no question that it is a little more difficult to verify the income of a self-employed individual than an "employed" individual who can come in with a W-2 and pay stubs.  A lot of self-employed individuals do get creative with their accounting and some expenses that are taken as business deductions on tax returns may benefit the individual more than the business, and the lines between business income and personal income can get blurred with creative (or less than professional) bookkeeping.  A lender does need to sort through some of that accounting to determine the potential borrower's ability to repay the loan, no doubt.

Perhaps as my experience with self-employed borrowers increases I might see a reason to avoid self-employed borrowers, but at this point, I really don't see a legitimate reason to avoid self-employed borrowers due to an increase in document review and a little more work to substantiate an ability to repay.  It seems to me that mortgage lenders and brokers signed on to the job willingly, and at times the job may be a little tougher than others, but aren't all meaningful jobs like that?  I would guess that representing certain sellers or buyers may be more difficult than others, but that is no reason to turn clients away.

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Comments (38)

Ron Bork

And then I come across this...

Self-employed borrowers receive 40 percent fewer quotes for purchase mortgages than non-self-employed borrowers, according to Zillow. The firm said self-employed borrowers tend to have higher average incomes and seek more expensive homes than non-self-employed borrowers, but self-employed borrowers have lower credit scores, on average. The findings were based on mortgage requests from borrowers made via Zillow.  Reporting by Brandon Ivey / bivey@imfpubs.com...

 

Dec 05, 2014 02:25 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Ron Bork - I have since seen several media outlets parroting the same words.  May be even the same writer.  Slow news day?

Thanks for your input.

Dec 05, 2014 02:46 AM
Lyn Sims
RE/MAX Suburban - Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg Real Estate

Well at least you are not taking applications where before no one was! You can't win - you hire an accountant to make sure you pay the lowest taxes (possibly being creative) & then can't claim the income that you deducted for those expenses. Hope that makes sense ....

Dec 05, 2014 03:08 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Lyn Sims - Sometimes people just feel like they are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to the IRS, minimizing taxes and maximizintg income, just can't be done.

Dec 05, 2014 03:27 AM
Kimo Jarrett
WikiWiki Realty - Huntington Beach, CA
Pro Lifestyle Solutions

As you stated smart business people plan for their purchases and adjust their lifestyle and income accordingly. Like a water hose they can turn it on, off or vary the cash flow. Unfortunately, most business people are not smart enough to hire a knowledgeable professional to help them so, they usually fail.

Dec 05, 2014 05:48 AM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

Randy Kirsch Lenders that I work with in Dallas do a great job analyzing the the buying power of self-employed buyers. I try to prepare buyers for the amount of paperwork they will be asked to submit.  I wish more lenders would do presentations on the topic of self-employed borrowers.  This is an excellent post!

Dec 05, 2014 02:09 PM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Kimo Jarrett - so true.  A self-employed individual has more control over income / cash flow than most people might realize, but that individual does not have the knowledge about underwriting that he needs to do the right thing when he is going for a mortgage.

Thanks for sharing.  Make it a great weekend.

Dec 05, 2014 07:17 PM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Sharon Parisi - Thanks for the comment about the post.  There really is not that much more paperwork that should acre a lender of broker away from doing a loan with a self-employed individual.  You do need a little more time and some knowledge about business taxes and the forms used by the IRS.  Most of that could be shared very easily in a seminar.

Thanks for sharing.  Make it a great weekend.

Dec 05, 2014 07:21 PM
Anonymous
Frank Bartlo

I do not see why lenders should have ANY problems whatsoever with self-employed borrowers. I agree the article was likely a "filler" for someone who could think of nothing else to write about.

If the underwriting is based on net after-tax income, it would tend to slightly underestimate the actual income of a full doc sole proprietor. And perhaps greatly underestimate income, in some instances (e.g. for wisely chosen corporate entities and/or income derived from borrowing against performing assets). I know the standard mileage deduction has proven generous for me all but last year, when I had a transmission go kaput.

As for processing, after all, the borrower does almost all of the work in assembling the docs. So the processor has to enter enter a few more numbers, which takes all of minutes if the borrower provides the requested info.

I, too, hope some variant on "alt doc" mortgages come back. Eliminating such loans was an instance of "barking up the wrong tree". Sure, such loans are inherently a bit more risky; but if everything else is done on the up-and-up (the real "tree"), the "bean counters" can always tie the rates to the performance.

Dec 05, 2014 09:14 PM
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Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

Randy Kirsch I like the idea of seminars.  For the most part, self employed individuals are not aware of the possible down side of taking advantage of legitimate tax deductions in the years immediately prior to applying for a mortgage.  Frank Bartlo makes some good points. Your comment to Kimo Jarrett hits the nail on the head!

Dec 05, 2014 11:40 PM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Frank I agree with you 100%, on all counts.  It is a matter that is blown out of proportion for starters, and some alternative loan products would be better for self-employed people.

Thanks for sharing.  Make it a great weekend.

Dec 06, 2014 07:08 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Sharon Parisi - maybe it would be mutually beneficial for lenders to put on seminars for self-employed potential borrowers in particular.  The lender gets a borrower and the borrower is schooled on how to prepare for the application process ahead of time. 

Thanks for sharing, again.  Make it a great weekend.

Dec 06, 2014 07:12 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

I'm finding more and better programs for self employed people, but it's still not the easiest thing to do.

Dec 07, 2014 12:21 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

Karen Fiddler, Broker/Realtor - they really can fit into just about any program, yes some easier than others, just takes a little more digging to get all the info needed.

Thanks for sharing.  Make it a great day.

Dec 07, 2014 02:20 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I think any lender that puts off self employed borrows without at least trying to work with them is foolish.  Yes it can be more work, but work is work.  Self employeed people can be very lucrative repeat and referral business.

Dec 09, 2014 01:05 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

I agree Gene Riemenschneider - I am not in favor of turning away anybody for fear of a little work.

Thanks for sharing.  Make it a great day.

Dec 09, 2014 02:11 AM
Liane Thomas, Top Listing Agent
Professional Realty Services® - Corona, CA
Bringing you Home!

It is easy to qualify for a mortgage as self employed. The trick is to actually report the income earned.

I had a borrower recently who mananged to write off nearly all of her 6 figure income, and then didn't qualify to buy a dog house.

Dec 19, 2014 02:49 AM
Randy Kirsch
Right Trac Financial Group, Inc., NMLS# 2709 - Manchester, CT
(NMLS# 1012303) Your Dedicated Mortgage Consultant

You hit the nail on the head Liane Thomas - Corona & Riverside Real Estate 

Dec 19, 2014 04:05 AM
Winston Heverly
Winston Realty, Inc. - Atlantis, FL
GRI, ABR, SFR, CDPE, CIAS, PA

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Mar 22, 2015 01:04 PM
Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, EXP - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

If anyone can get the job done, the people at Right Trac can do it.  Thanks for sharing this Randy!

Aug 09, 2015 04:32 PM

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