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Woo Hoo! Busting a grammar myth!

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This one is for Debbie Gartner  – and everyone else who has ever apologized for ending a sentence with a preposition.

It turns out…

The rule that says you mustn't end a sentence with a preposition tops the list of Grammar Girl's top ten grammar myths.

It is perfectly fine to end your sentence with a preposition, as long as the sentence needs it.

It's not fine when it's extraneous, as it "Where are you at?"grammar quote

Think about it. If you took "to" away from the sentence "Who are you talking to?" it would sound dumb and make no sense at all. And if you wrote "To whom are you talking?" you'd sound like a pompous prune.

Can you imagine changing "What did you just step in?" to "In what did you just step?"

Take the sentence Debbie apologized for: " This is one pair I never had difficulty with." It would make no sense at all if you dropped "with," and it would sound really goofy if you wrote "With this pair I never had difficulty." And "This is one pair with which I have never had difficulty" sounds way too stuffy.

According to Grammar Girl, the driving point is that normal people simply don't talk that way.

So… why did your school teachers drill this into you? Because it was drilled into them, perhaps.

Grammar historians say this, along with the prohibition on beginning a sentence with a conjunction, came from the 17th and 18th centuries, when some notable writers tried to make English grammar conform to that of Latin.

According to OxfordDictionaries.com,"This prohibition was taken up by grammarians and teachers in the next two centuries and became very tenacious. English is not Latin, however, and contemporary authorities do not try to shoehorn it into the Latin model." 

Apparently it's also a myth that it was Benjamin Franklin who said "This is the sort of English up with which I will not put!" when he was making fun of someone who corrected him, but it's still funny.  

The bottom line – no apologies necessary for writing the way we speak.

Go ahead and end your sentences with prepositions, and when it fits, begin them with a conjunction (and or but). 

 

 

One Caution: If you're writing a job application or otherwise needing to impress someone who may not know that it's perfectly OK, avoid both of these non-errors. If they discount you for it, they'll be wrong, but you'll still get counted down. 

Comments(71)

Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

John Meussner Perhaps you instinctively knew it wasn't a real rule! 

Dec 08, 2014 08:40 AM
Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

Marte... what I wondered when I read this post is whether "acceptability" changed over the decades versus when I learned grammatical rules.

Dec 08, 2014 07:38 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Marte Cliff ...  As with many things, what is considered proper in one place, is improper in another.  I think it's important to learn and know grammatical rules ... but know where it's acceptable to bend them.   Does that make sense??

Gene

Dec 08, 2014 11:11 PM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

I'm glad Patricia Kennedy featured this one.  If she hadn't, I would have missed it.

Dec 10, 2014 05:57 AM
Joanna Cohlan
Fresh Eyes For Your Home - Chappaqua, NY
Designing, Decorating & Staging Westchester Homes

Hi Marte, just came over from Patricia Kennedy 's post and and glad I did.  I must say I beg to differ with you - but just a little.  I think there is a distinction between the way we write and the way we speak - perhaps the preposition situation is not a good example of this - but our writing should in fact be elevated, just a bit!

Dec 10, 2014 07:04 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Joanna Cohlan I agree that it might be wise to be a bit more careful in writing, but we still need to sound like the same person. I've known people who change entirely. When they write they stiffen up and go from interesting to boring. 

Dec 10, 2014 07:16 AM
Joanna Cohlan
Fresh Eyes For Your Home - Chappaqua, NY
Designing, Decorating & Staging Westchester Homes

It is critical to use the vernacular when you write - but I believe that the structure of a good sentence needs to maintained.  We definitely do not want boring!!!

Dec 10, 2014 07:18 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Joanna Cohlan Yes, the reason for grammar and sentence structure is to facilitate communication. I have a client or two who ignores it and I'm left wondering what they meant by what they wrote - so have to write them back to clarify. 

Sometimes when I write grammar posts people comment or write to me telling me it doesn't matter. I say "Yes it does! It's all about communication."

Dec 10, 2014 07:31 AM
John Mosier
Realty ONE Group Mountain Desert - Prescott, AZ
Prescott's Patriot Agent 928 533-8142

Thanks, Marte Cliff, for clarifying this for me. I was in high school more than 50 years ago. I guess I was taught wrong. I am surprised how many things I learned then are wrong now.  Remember that we always used a period (called a dot, now) after a middle initial and abbreviations.

Did we know what an acronym was then?

May 05, 2015 08:59 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

John Mosier We were ALL taught wrong - and teachers are still doing it today. Which just goes to show... 

I still use a period after a middle initial and abbreviations. And I still capitalize names. As far as I know, both are correct and current habits are mere sloppiness. 

May 05, 2015 09:05 AM
Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

Marte Cliff Thanks or the blog post on this subject, and thank you to Praful Thakkar for bringing it to my attention. Still kind of bugs me when I here someone say, "Do you want me to go with?" With whom?

Apr 19, 2016 07:24 PM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

OMG Marte, you made my day...I was editing a piece yesterday when I said I can't do that...it appears I can and logic trounces everything else..thank you.

Apr 19, 2016 08:09 PM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Sandy Padula and Norm Padula, JD, GRI I agree about "go with." It makes no sense. In that context it needs to answer "with whom?"

Ginny Gorman Since some sentences only make sense when they end with a preposition, I was more than happy to learn that the old tabu was actually a myth. 

Apr 20, 2016 12:50 AM
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

This absolutely good to know.  Poor grammar and all...take me as I am!

Apr 20, 2016 12:54 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Gary L. Waters, Broker Owner, Waters Realty of Brevard, LLC I agree. It's one less thing to worry about. 

Apr 20, 2016 01:01 AM
Jill Sackler
Charles Rutenberg Realty Inc. 516-575-7500 - Long Beach, NY
LI South Shore Real Estate - Broker Associate

I used to be inflexible about that sort of rule but I've learned to relax (a little.) I also used to believe you shouldn't write how you speak but when it comes to blogging, I think the lines can blur a little bit. I noticed that formal blog posts don't garner as much interest.

Apr 20, 2016 06:29 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Jill Sackler Most people aren't interested in reading a textbook or an entry in an encyclopedia. The truth is, they're just to dry. 

In marketing, one of the first rules a copywriter learns is the importance of using a conversational tone. So yes, unless you're turning in a paper for a college class, write like you speak. 

Apr 20, 2016 07:43 AM
Rebecca Gaujot, Realtor®
Lewisburg, WV
Lewisburg WV, the go to agent for all real estate

Marte, so glad I stopped by to read about busting a grammar myth. You make us smarter

Mar 29, 2017 06:58 AM
Dana Hollish Hill
Hollish Hill Group, JPAR Stellar Living - Bethesda, MD
REALTOR * Broker * Coach

I'm so glad you call this a myth. I've used grammar acrobatics to avoid ending with a preposition and the result has often sounded a bit stuffy. 

Nov 20, 2023 01:53 PM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Rebecca Gaujot, Realtor® - Don't know how I missed your comment back in March, but I'm sorry I did! Thanks for your kind words. 

Dana Hollish Hill - I think many of us have done that. I was overjoyed to learn that it was a myth. Must have been promoted by some sadistic English teacher who hated kids! 

 

Nov 20, 2023 03:32 PM