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Reading a GFE takes some common sense.

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Mortgage and Lending with Texana Bank

I had a client who was relocating from Georgia up to Connecticut and needed a 95% LTV loan. He was adamant about doing an 80/15, and I said 'perfect, I wouldn't recommend going any other way'. He had the credit for it. Everything was peachy. At the time, I was using Principal (before they sold CITI- blegh!) and their high CLTV stuff was awesome. (I just got teary-eyed thinking of the good old days.) Everything seemed to be going fine...

But then something happened. He had shopped around like a good consumer, and decided my GFE was too high. There was a gap of about $300 between me and the next guy's GFE. Ok. I said let's go through the numbers. Depending on the time of month you close, you could pay more or less at closing. This is an estimate, and I'm not going to lie to you to get you to use me.' See, we use 15 days interest on our GFE's, some guys only used 5 or so. There's the $300+. It's not like I was charging him points, or ridiculous fees- it was literally that small of a difference.

Dan, we'll name him to protect his identity, ended up going with another company, a company that promised him all I had and MORE- they 'saved' him a whopping $300.

Dan calls me FRANTIC on the day of his closing. 'I need help, they said they aren't licensed to do second mortgages and they just did the one loan. I signed the paperwork, they said they'll refi me in a few months. What should I do?' Let's just say I had no sympathy and leave it at that.

THIS IS A TRUE STORY. I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP, AND IF I HAD THE NAME OF THE COMPANY, I WOULD POST IT KNOWING THAT THEY PROBABLY ARE NO LONGER IN BUSINESS.

Lesson #1: If a client bickers about $300, drop them like a bad habit. It will only end badly.

Lesson #2: If a company says they can do second mortgages, and then admits they can't AT THE CLOSING- sue their asses and file a complaint with the Banking Department.

Lesson #3: Honesty is sometimes lost on fools. I have lost more business than I care to admit by being honest. Why does honesty scare so many people?

Lesson #4: Don't get wrapped up in the 'bottom line' on a GFE. Numbers change. Any buyer out there should educate themselves about this fact- the only things they should care about are the actual lender fees- everything else is variable. Add up the app fees, the processing fees- all that stuff. Use that to negotiate- not things that MOVE from day to day- like interest or even attorney fees.

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Denise Allen
Resh Realty Group - Chesapeake, VA
Realtor@ Chesapeake, Hampton Roads
What a shame over $300.  I think I would have made the numbers work if I could have.
Apr 07, 2008 04:08 AM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

Jennifer......I feel your pain!  While I don't fault the borrower for shopping for a better deal, I do fault the greedy ones who chase after something that isn't real.  It's almost like that Johnny Lang song, "Lie To ME".

I've seen other company's GFE that have left off all title fees and charges...when questioned about why they did this, they told the borrower that these weren't "THEIR" charges, so they didn't need to put them on their GFE.

The per diem interest charges, as you mentioned, are another area where Loan officers play tricks.  I've had purchase deals that were set to close on the 10th of the month where the LO only put 1 day of interest on his/her GFE.  

While I agree with Lesson #3, I don't agree with Lesson #1, sometimes you're right, but sometimes it's more a matter of educating the borrower.  Excellent post!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

Apr 07, 2008 04:16 AM
Peter Wolf
Coldwell Banker - Valley Village, CA

Don't let that person make you crazy.  It is unfortunate that your client was fickle, but consider what consumers hear.  Every friend is probably telling them information gleaned from newspaper articles and television stories that are incomplete, inaccurate or fail to tell the whole story.  Sometimes you have to educate people on what is really going on and hope they get it.  If they don't, wish them well and thank your lucky stars that you can look yourself in the mirror in the morning without needing to take another shower.

Apr 07, 2008 09:50 AM
James Monastero
Texana Bank - Fuquay Varina, NC
The Matchmaker

Denise- I could have made them work, if I did one of the sneaky things referred to like changing the per-diem interest charges. The client made a bad choice, and he paid for it.

Bob, lesson #1 is exactly for the 'educated' borrower. They think the bottom line is ALL they have to worry about because they heard some soundbite on Good Morning America or something. Meanwhile, they get taken to the cleaners anyway. In purchase situations, buyers should be more wary. They walk from the tabel at closing, and they lose money. Scary situation. That's why it's imperative to use referrals, or at least people in the community. Much easier to rake someone over the coals from 1500 miles away.

Stay tuned for my post on Ameriquest. They are a prime example of taking advantage of people.

Apr 07, 2008 09:54 AM
James Monastero
Texana Bank - Fuquay Varina, NC
The Matchmaker

Peter- precisely. A little knowledge IS a scary thing.

I still get referrals, so I guess that's a good sign, right? Most of the dirtbags are finally gone.

Apr 07, 2008 09:55 AM
Steven Odierno
Mahwah, NJ
NJ Mortgage & Marketing Professional

Hi Jennifer - I've been there.  Human nature is a peculiar thing.  Some people hear what they want to hear, and have a knack for filtering out the rest (which in this case was the absolute truth.)  I can't tell you how many clients we have lost by telling them the truth.  In many instances, they would close with a higher rate and for more points on a refinance with a Lender who we told them way lying to them.  For some reason, they were either too scared or embarrassed to either walk away or call us back.  

Apr 07, 2008 11:12 AM
James Monastero
Texana Bank - Fuquay Varina, NC
The Matchmaker

Billy- Unfortunately, it is legal to change just about anything as long as it is properly 're-disclosed', which is what your loan officer did when they sent an updated GFE. My question to you would be, did they tell you at the beginning that you would have no MI? If so, I would try to find another lender just on principle.

 

Also, don't feel bad about asking for an extension for mortgage commitment. These days, it's a very common occurrence. 

Jennifer

Apr 16, 2009 02:24 AM