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The loan modification trap

By
Real Estate Agent with Utopia Management

From my experience, calling the bank and trying to get a loan modification is a trap.  The entity you are calling is only the servicer of your loan.  Your actual loan is backed by investors who actually make up as the real "bank" behind the bank.  Therefore, despite your hardship letters and multiple requests to "modify" your loan, the servicer is merely passing that information, if any, to the investors of your loan.

If you are not behind on your payments, there is no incentive for the servicer to do anything for you.  I've had to call on clients' behalf numerous times and to different banks.  The answer was the same.  If you are not "90 days late, there's nothing we can do."

Why?  They don't tell us the reasons, but here they are.  I know:

1.  If you are 90 days late, you can't go somewhere else to refinance.  Therefore, at 90 days late, your credit score would have been blemished and you are stuck with that loan with that servicer.  Don't they know that you are stuck anyway if you have a prepayment penalty and negative amortization?

2.  If you are paying on the loans, even if you claim you are struggling, in the servicer's eyes, you are still making payments and therefore, your loan modification request is just to try to get them to lower your interest rates.

3.  If you itemize how deficient you are every month, your loan modification will be denied.  You will have to show that you have more income to qualify.  But how much more?  These servicer reps are very elusive to answer this question and sometimes become defensive.  Your question would be why would you ask for a modification if you were not struggling to make the payments?  This might be just a plot by the servicer to make the homeowner forego paying other bills just to pay the mortgage on time.  But I know the servicer will claim otherwise.

4.  If they modify the loan for you, your interest rate might be lowered, but you will have to pay PITI (principal, interest, taxes and insurance) and impound.  This new amount might be higher than your current minimum payment.

5.  The servicer claims that it cannot modify both the first and second loans.  So, what are you supposed to do about the second loan?  Well, I've tested one servicer by calling and saying, "I'm calling to let you know that we are going to stop paying on the second loan."  They didn't know how to respond!  I have put them in a difficult position.  The second loan, although held by the same servicer, is likely funded through a different group of investors because of a different set of criteria to qualify for the loan.  What else could they do but to try to negotiate with me to lower the payments if I make partial payments and act like a deadbeat for a few months? 

I mean if it has to get this far and the servicer continues to claim nothing can be done until 90 days late is reached but I've already bought another house somewhere else and could care less if I lose this one, which is a sinking ship, what could the servicer do?  They could try to collect.  I mean I'm still paying on the first loan.  The first group of investors won't initiate foreclosure because I'm "current". 

Also, this makes a difference if your loan is a recourse or non-recourse loan on the impact it will have on you, the borrower. 

Does all of this make sense?  I'd like to receive input from others who have been placed into this trap.  I think I might have found the way out.

-Susan Vanderburgh

 

Tara Colquitt
Tara Colquitt, The Credit Woman, LLC - Philadelphia, PA
Credit Counselor
Susan: No experience with this, but your information is so on target. I am so sorry others didn't comment, because this is very timely information and can help a lot of people.
Apr 18, 2008 11:12 PM
Anonymous
Erin

We are very skeptical about going with a loan mod. They called us, loan modification group, out of simi valley and offered to get our i.r. lowered from 6.25 to 5.0, drop 60,000 off the principal and drop our payment from 2070 to 1070. They want $1000 a month for three months and that is all we pay. As well as we stop making our payment until the process is done. He states this will not hurt our credit and we are in "negotiations" with the mortgage co. We are current on our loan but just have had a drop in pay recently. Don't know what to do! We have a family member who is a mortgage broker and he said we could go with him or have one of his lawyer friends do the same thing, or try to anyway, for the same price. I would tend to trust him over this stranger but really don't know. He is going to call me tomorrow to get a definite answer from me. Have any input on this? Don't want to get into trouble with all of this. Thanks.

Nov 30, 2008 02:25 AM
#2
Anonymous
Troy

Erin,  please let me know what you decide and the outcome.

Dec 06, 2008 03:08 AM
#3
Anonymous
Anonymous

We too have been contacted by LMG from Simi Valley.  I went on line to see what I could find out and was please to see this blog!  I called our mortgage company to check them out since LMG says they work with Countrywide Home Loans.  I have found this to be untrue.  What the Loan Modification claims to do for you for $3,000.00, can be done by yourself. They can not give you a lower interest rate as they guarantee.  They do what we are already doing which is call to check on our progress of the loan Modification through our Mortgage company who goes through the investor.  I hope this makes sense.  The money you are giving them can go towards your house payment.  Please beware, I found them to be   to aggressive in getting us to sign a contract with them.

Dec 10, 2008 05:06 AM
#4
Anonymous
Chris

If any company guarantees a rate or term they are lying to you. That is fact. However, I work for a reputable Loan Modification Company. The Loan Modification Team will assist you and actually negotiate with your lender to reduce the rate or a principal reduction. I have helped a lot of people. The fact is you can do a modification by yourself as every homeowner can, but many homeowners do not know if the modification they get is the best they can get. If you would like additional information or help and not a sales speech contact me. I would love to answer your questions and help you during your difficult situation as I have been through this and would love to help someone.

Chris Geoghegan 888-612-4852

Dec 15, 2008 08:41 AM
#5
Anonymous
The People

Idiot, don't advertise on this site. The Loan Modification Team emphasizes on being part of the BBB for credentials yet when they are searched for on the BBB (BBB.org) they can not be found.

Jan 23, 2009 02:45 AM
#6
Anonymous
David

They have sent me over a douzen letters in the mail claiming to be my initail broker company.  I called them and they said that they would lower what I owed on my house which is $360K down to 290K and put me in a 30 year fixed at around 4.2-4.9%.  This would cost me 3K to do so.  I looked them up on the BBB and they did not exist.  Has anyone actually been helped by them?  I called Countrywide and told them of my hardships and they basically told me to go "shit in my hat".  If I spend 3K on a scam, I will destroy somone!  Please help

Mar 16, 2009 06:57 PM
#7
Anonymous
ana

A friend and I have both been scammed by them as well.  We gave them $3k back in early November and was promised a certain intrest rate and principal reduction.  We didn't think anything was suspicious as this was a friend of a friend if you can believe it.  They have done nothing in terms of trying to modify our loans ( they called my bank 1 time in the 5 months!)and refuse to give back the $ because they claimed we breached the contract.  Total BS.  We have filed BBB complaints and just filed with DRE. 

These crooks need to pay!

May 12, 2009 07:41 AM
#8
Anonymous
Veronica Urquidez

I am in supposedly still going through the Loan mod through LMG with Don Williams.  We started in DEC 2008 and still have not finished.  Monday I recieved a letter on my door saying my house will be sold on July 6, 2009.  I talked with DON and ANGELA and they stated it was "procedure" and to send in more information so they could extend the sale of the house and finish the Loan Mod.  I am beginining to think we did get scammed into this but I trusted my coworkers because they started as well.  I am scarred for myself and my family and at this point I don't know what to do.

Veronica

Jun 21, 2009 10:15 AM
#9
Anonymous
Melissa

LMG is an out an out SCAM.  Do NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS COMPANY.  We lost our home because of them.  Every single thing they told us to do was wrong.  They told us not to pay our mortgage and to pay them.  They made promises that were not possible.  They didn't return calls.  They kept telling us everything was fine that our sale date and foreclosure were common procedure, not to worry, they were in contact with the bank.  They told us not to talk to the bank and yelled at us when we did (we found out from a lawyer later you ALWAYS talk to the bank) We found out when a real estate agent showed up at our door that nothing had been done on our behalf and we didn't own our property.  LMG never even called to say we lost the property!  They said they talked to our bank and we found out from our bank AFTER it was too late that the paperwork wasn't even sent in till after the sale date.  They would ask for mounds of paperwork everytime we called them to obviously put us off like they were doing something.  They started this in February and said it would be done in three months.  They kept stretching it till it was eight months later and we were foreclosed upon.  All the time telling us everything was fine.  I had a perfect credit score before them, it dropped over two hundred points.  Don Williams had told me nothing would happen to my credit score if I paid them instead of my mortgage(I was told by a lawyer that in fact if you don't make a payment it will affect your credit score immediately).  So this was a lie too.   When we got into the modification we weren't even late on our payments just struggling.  We ignored all the warning signs that this company was a scam because a friend of ours recommended them who had actually had his loan modified by them.  The lawyer said these types of companies put a few mods through to get word out about their services, the rest they just let go, take the money. 

I feel incredibly stupid for falling for this.  I have learned so much though.  You can talk to your bank directly and find out if they will modify with you, you don't need to pay someone to do it.  NEVER stop making payments.  Talk to your bank.  Don't believe in promises. 

 

DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS COMPANY!!!!!

Sep 24, 2009 08:38 AM
#10
Susan Vanderburgh
Utopia Management - Murrieta, CA

 an update -- I know a lot has happened since I first posted my article.  I've seen the loan modification craze unfold and have discovered the following:

1.  Lenders / banks are not ready to modify with terms that are favorable for consumers, if they do modify.

2.  Consumers have contacted me asking if they should accept loan mofidication terms proposed to them.  And 9 of 10 times, the terms are extremely unfavorable and subject the consumers to financial hardship within 6 months of accepting the loan modification.

3.  Consumers who are not behind on their payments but are employed with companies with declined profits have contacted their banks to ask about loan modification to prepare for possible income loss.  The first thing they are told is "either do a short sale or go through with foreclosure".

Here's my preliminary assessment of this -- banks have already been paid and declaring a loss will not allow them to lend up to 3 times the loss, instead, that amount of declared loss plus 3 times has to be put into reserve and those funds are "tied up".  This information is useful to me, as the real estate professional, real estate investor and consumer.

Loan modification and short sale seem to give more attention to you, the borrower, and initiate foreclosure proceedings quicker.  I believe an attorney's intervention or someone with background in finance, credit and the law will be able to assist in obtaining a favorable modification -- a true modification -- of the loan terms.

I believe I've found the way out -- only time will tell.

Feb 21, 2010 06:11 AM