Very Foreign Policy...

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408

I believe by now we all know that foreign policy is very foreign for our President. Whether it is by choice or design, I do not know.

What I know is that when Iranian newspapers say that Iran won, it means that it is not the point of view of some group exercising freedom of speech, as they do not have freedom of speech. It means this is the government approved message for the people of Iran.

Obama stating that not everybody is thinking this way is ridiculous. In the country where the only opinion that people hear and read is the opinion of the government, other voices are simply not heard.

After all, propaganda is what you hear. If you hear the same thing over and over, this is what you believe. I lived in the Soviet Union for 40 years and I can attest to how propaganda works. You may think that you are the smartest, and critical, and that you have your own opinion, but you underestimate the power of propaganda. You do not notice how well the government manipulates the information making you think that the ideas you think are yours are in reality theirs.

So, when Iran claims victory, it is not bluffing. Even when nothing supports the victory in the eyes of America and the West, if they call something a victory, it is a victory for the people.

But it is more sinister than that. It is real victory for Iran here. Iran, like so many other countries, negotiates from the position of strength. Even when you are crippled by sanctions, they still negotiated from the position of strength. It is simply in their culture, it is in Russian culture.

Can they justify it and show it? Yes. Iran holds 4 Americans. Did they have to make this concession? No, and for the people of Iran it is a clear sign that their government is strong. America did not even ask.

Imagine Iran in American shoes. The most powerful country... They would have demanded the release of 4 Iranians even before sitting at the negotiating table, simply as a condition of getting to this table. But our President plays what he calls "fair" and what I call "stupid". He does not understand Iranians. He thinks they are like Americans.

Why it happened this way? Because we allowed them to do it. And the very fact that we allowed them, that we treated the weak as equal is a sign of our weakness in their eyes.

Our President simply does not get it.

Remember Obama 8 years ago told the nation that he would speak with adversaries? That he would sit with then Iranian president and talk? Remember that it never happened? that he did not sit with North Korean leader as well...

Do you know why?

Because for Iran sitting with American President would be a sign of weakness. They did not sit with Obama… Well, he was very inexperienced and very naïve then… What about now?

His (and unfortunately, it is not only his) position that they may say whatever they want, as this is their way to keep the reputation, is what causes us so much trouble in the world. The condition of any negotiation has to be that the other country has to acknowledge not only the terms, but write about it, and present it in the fair way, not as a lopsided victory… unless, of course, it is, like in case with this Iranian deal

Without it we are losing.

We have not even moved from the negotiation table and Iran already sent their general to Russia. Tell me that this is not victory for Iran. It is a spit in the face of Obama, but did he notice it? Did it make him angry?

Did it make him a man?

I can’t get rid of the feeling that he is trying to leave some legacy. Does not matter what, as long as there would be something to remember, something for him to brag about in the future.

Heck with the legacy, we need peace and yes, sometimes you need to show and even use your teeth to make it happen.

Comments (47)

Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
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Those who will not learn from history are destined to repeat it. Why do we keep electing people who will not learn? 

Aug 18, 2015 09:14 AM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

Jon, with all due respect; it appears you still have a Russian view on how foreign policy should be conducted. Personally, I prefer Teddy Roosevelt's, "speak softly and carry a big stick," -  a tactic of caution and non-aggression, backed up by the ability to do violence if required. 

Marte, again, hawkish conservatives have tried to block every non-proliferation treaty for the last have century or so...including those negotiated by Reagan.  It's as if they don't think peaceful diplomacy should be given a chance to work.

Aug 18, 2015 10:09 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Karl Hess - When I came to US, there were things that raised my eyebrows, but I thought that I might not understand the way it works, and the authorities should no better. But time after time the results were exactly the way I saw them coming.

Of course, not everything not everywhere, but in dealing with 3rd world, dealing with Russia, dealing with Iran, and dealing with Iraq, yes, I was surprised. I am in the country 24+ years, and I am no longer as naive, as I was then.

With Obama it is pretty simple. There are no leaps in our foreign policy. We did not make more friends, but made way more new enemies.

And I agree with "speak softly and carry a big stick," but show me the stick?

And it is not that Obama is the only one that makes me cringe. I keep saying that bringing democracy to the world is not our business and is fundamentally wrong. We should lead, and bring security, and not democracy. the fact that we love it does not mean that we need to choke other nations with it.

Aug 19, 2015 12:01 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Marte Cliff - this truly is a million dollar question. Why is that we are so divided when we have everything or nearly everything? And we are so united when things are absolutely terrible? Do we need periodic September 11 to keep us a united country? Why are we so self destructive?

Gosh, if only I knew...

Aug 19, 2015 02:49 PM
Marte Cliff
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It doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? 

Aug 19, 2015 03:01 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Karl Hess When at the first republican debate recently Bret asked candidates that question about their allegiance, pretty much, to the party, and Trump was the only one who didn't, I wanted to applaud him, but I thought he would explain it in a different way. I thought that the best answer would be that his allegiance is to the country and not to the Party, and if he feels like he can do something for the country, it was his duty, and if party lines were crossed, that was insignificant.

He did not say it this way, but I hope he simply was caught napping and was not ready to this question (which could have been a great question as the very last in the debate, but starting with it was a very bad decision by the hosts. Very poor judgement in my opinion.

Why I am saying it here? because you always put me in Republican shoes. I am not sure a really 100% fit, but, at the same token, hardly anyone is a 100% fit.

By the way, I knew Romney would lose because he was thinking (and expressing himself) not about the country, but someone cautioned him and he was only pleasing women and some other important groups.

I do not care about women, I do not care about LGBT, I do not care about whites and Blacks, I care about America, and everything else is in this context. Whoever is here to please some group will lose. Wasn't it how Reagan won? I was not here when it happened, so no knowledge about it, nothing.

Also, where you are right, is not that much my political view, which you thought are Russian, but rather the manner of expressing my views. This is sure Russian, and though I am trying to not to flare, this is what was so valuable in Russia, and this is what we were doing there, and it sits in me, and I can easily come off as rude... I know it, I try to deal with it, but this is here, like my accent, which I am not even trying to fight anymore...

So, what I wanted to say, is that I appreciate your comments, even when I am in absolute disagreement :) And even when I might sound brush, I am a friendly guy, it is simply the tradition, which is deep

Aug 19, 2015 03:02 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Marte Cliff - like so many other things in life, it really doesn't :)

Aug 19, 2015 03:06 PM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

I take exception with the idea Obama has created more enemies: Obama's foreign policy is VERY popular outside of the US - except Russia and the ME...which is not surprising.  Of 40 countries surveyed by a Pew Research Center poll, majorities in 29 of those countries said they had confidence in Obama to "do the right thing regarding world affairs." Often, those majorities are quite wide. Remember, this poll was taken BEFORE the latest treaty agreement with Iran, which will only increase his numbers

Here's a chart of the results — and look how popular Obama is.

 pew obama global popularity

American presidents aren't always this popular. Pew conducted a similar poll in 2007, the equivalent point in George W. Bush's presidency. It found that in 37 out of 47 countries, "majorities say they have little or no trust in Bush to do the right thing in world affairs." Only "Israel and six of the 10 nations surveyed in sub-Saharan Africa" had majorities that had confidence in Bush.

Pew's data shows that Obama is getting more popular internationally, not less. Overall, Obama's image has improved in the last year. In 14 countries of the 36 countries where trends from 2014 are available, more people now say they have confidence in the U.S. president.

Aug 19, 2015 09:54 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Karl Hess - just heard that Iran will be the one, that checks the military installation and compliance with the agreement.

Let the goat guard the garden. Tell me about the big and, of course, very clever reason to allow this? Can anyone think of a worse deal? Even imaginable? You, as a realtor, would you agree to a deal where you client has no assurance of anything except for "do not worry, everything will be simply wonderful". Of course, there will be plenty pof those who would explain that it is not only fine, but it is a genius decision, and you willbe sending me these quotes to show that smart people think like Obama. They are smart, so what is their reason to sell off the security of this country and, quite probably, the world?

Aug 20, 2015 01:06 AM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

This was a side agreement between the UN and Iran...for ONE site, ONE time. The International Atomic Energy Agency will be conducting the inspections at all other sites at all times. 

No response on my previous post on how Obama is viewed around the world?

Aug 20, 2015 02:34 AM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

Again, this non-proliferation agreement does NOT rule out the use of force if the Iranian government refuses to comply. Why is that so difficult for folks to understand?

Aug 20, 2015 02:36 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Karl Hess - 89% of Russians are choking from love to Putin. 89% of the very same Russians are pissed off with the government decision to destroy sanctioned food. Now, what is notrmal for Russia and what has been normal for Russia, is a deep belief that a good god, tsar or ruler does not know that his men are doing. Hence, letters to Putin.

If something happens to Putin, he is dethroned or dies, or the power is taken, you would need 3 days to have his approval rating at single digits.

Yes, I do not understand how anyone in their sound mind can't see who he is. However, I know that pwople in the world in any country never ask themselves the question about the void in world leadership, which the governemtn of even Saudi Arabia voiced in private conversations.

Yes, his rating would go through the roof in Kenya, but does it really impress you?

It does not impress me. I have my eyes, and what I see is shameful. And while Russians do not like him, Putin and Medvedev do like him a lot. Who else would have alloed Russia to do what they have done.

Aug 20, 2015 10:13 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Karl Hess give them $150 Billion, lift the sanctions, have them get the bomb, and then you are serious that we we use force?

Then why didn't we use even discretion, and not force with Russia?

And I love it about the Atomic agency. They tried it before, and it did not work. It is not going to work, and the only change (Obama loves change) would be change of rhetoric, and now we would not interfere, no matter what.

Remember Syria? If they only use chemical, then we wil strike.

Maybe I missed when we did strike?

Similar this with ISIS. And then we do not do anything with ISIS.

Our only enemy are the soldiers of Mother Nature in the fight against global warming. And if needed, we would send the army to the sun to fight it. This ios so far fewtched, but I might believe rather than believing that Obama would fight for America and not against it. let's say one is still technically impossible, but if not for that, that would be up his alley. but fighting enemies, protecting the nation and the world, nah, this is not for him.

Aug 20, 2015 10:19 AM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

We did not "give" them $150 Billion. Their assets were unfrozen. The problem with the Syrian government is which side do you want to be on? Which side do you want to arm...the anti-Syrian-pro-ISIS side or the anti-ISIS-pro-Syrian side? It is not as clear cut as you make it out to be. BTW, the US is spending about $5 million a day on air-strikes in Syria...do want American combat troops in the country? Because I sure-as-hell don't. 

Aug 21, 2015 12:52 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Karl Hess - not sure there was an objective need to rush that much with unfreezing the funds.

There are 4 americans "frozen" in Iran, could we make their release a condition? Can we honestly say that we are doing everything to free the innocent?

Aug 21, 2015 01:52 PM
Mike Frazier
Carousel Realty of Dyer County - Dyersburg, TN
Northwest Tennessee Realtor

Jon, you are spot on concerning Obama. Karl I appreciate your service but disagree with most of what you said. Please don't compare Obama to Teddy Roosevelt. He, Teddy actually backed up what he said. Obama draws a line in the sand and opponents step over it and Obama does nothing. Obama is a weak President and yes he has changed America but for the worse.

Jon, I am sorry you have to move here from Russia and see the Americans making the same mistakes your countrymen made long ago. The government should be we the people and for the people.

Aug 22, 2015 02:55 AM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

Solutions?

Aug 23, 2015 11:47 PM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

Oh, and little history about Teddy Roosevelt: Roosevelt was a peacemaker. His most successful effort at bringing belligerent powers to the negotiating table involved a crisis that had broken out in East Asia. Fighting had erupted between Russia and Japan in 1904, following Japan's attack on the Russian fleet at Port Arthur. As the Russo-Japanese War raged on with many Japanese victories, Roosevelt approached both nations about mediating peace negotiations.

Teddy longed for a world in which countries would turn to arbitration instead of war to settle international disputes, and he offered his services to this end. Although Russia and Japan initially refused his offer, they eventually accepted his "good offices" to help negotiate a peace, meeting with Roosevelt in 1905 in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. For his role as mediator, Roosevelt won the Nobel Prize for Peace, the first U.S. President to do so.

Roosevelt also arbitrated a dispute between France and Germany over the division of Morocco. Britain had recognized French control over Morocco in return for French recognition of British control in Egypt. Germany felt excluded by this agreement and challenged France's role in Morocco. Although the French had a weak claim to Morocco, the United States could not reject it without rejecting Britain's claim as well. The settlement in 1906 reached at Algeciras, Spain, saved face for Germany but gave France undisputed control over Morocco; it also paved the way for British control over Egypt.

Some historians think that Roosevelt's intervention in these two hot spots averted fighting that might have engulfed all of Europe and Asia in a world war. In any case, Roosevelt's actions greatly strengthened Anglo-French ties with the United States.

 

Aug 24, 2015 07:56 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Karl Hess - But who said that it is a good deal (with Iran)? I hear a lot that it is a terrible deal, and all I hear in response, is that it is the best they could do.

But "the best they could do" does not mean that it is a good deal. It usually means that they could not do better.

So, the powerful nation could not do better with the nation under sanctions, and gave up a lot (original parameters, what survived?) and got a delay in develpment of a nuke?

And all because we are afraid of a military conflict? When they do not really have means of defending the installations?

Now, they will have one of the most powerful military in the world ( they declared it before the ink dried), and we have no problem with it. We believe that we can always go back to this point and even strike if needed.

How long are we going to lie to ourselves and to the world?

We would face a country with a bomb, strong conventional weapon and excellent anti air defense.

So, what we are saying is that in 5 years we are probably will stillbe fighting, but it would cost us so much more lives.

What a deal!

Aug 24, 2015 10:56 PM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

From the experts, and I quote;  (this agreement) “makes it very likely that any future effort by Iran to pursue nuclear weapons, even a clandestine program, would be detected promptly, providing the opportunity to intervene decisively to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.”

Aug 24, 2015 11:30 PM