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Mold on the roof sheathing---and the home is new!

By
Home Inspector with Charles Buell Inspections Inc.

 

There is some staining/discoloration and/or mold or mold-like fungal growth present on the roof sheathing in the attic.

Frost on a roofThis condition may be consistent with the effects of Night Sky Radiation.

Night Sky Radiation is when the roof sheathing temperature falls below the ambient dew point temperature as a result of net radiative heat loss to the much cooler night sky. (see link below)

This is common in the Pacific Northwest Maritime Climate in the spring, winter and fall, where moist outdoor air is introduced to the attic via normal ventilation of the roof structure and the moisture condenses on the cold roof sheathing. Repeated wetting of the roof sheathing can lead to staining/minor deterioration of the wood and even result in fungal growth in some areas when wood moisture content is high enough—especially on the north side of the roof. Non-heartwood types of roof sheathings (whether plywood or OSB commonly used in newer construction) can contribute to worsening of this condition.

It should be noted that even if you do not live in a Maritime Climate, there may be localized conditions that can duplicate this phenomenon—at least seasonally.

The condition is more common in well insulated and air-sealed homes but may be present and masked by worse conditions in poorly insulated/air-sealed homes. Night Sky Radiation and other contributing factors should be part of any evaluation of how to address the condition.

Adding more ventilation can contribute to a worsening of this condition.

fungal growth/staining on roof sheathingReducing ventilation to newer recommendations of 60/40 (60% lower/40% upper) may improve the condition. Metal roofs and insulating under the roof covering can help reduce the night sky radiation and result in less condensation on the roof sheathing. These options should be considered with the home is re-roofed.

Since this condition is considered to be “outside” the living environment and little structural damage is likely, minimizing its continued growth is recommended. Attempts to use surface treatments to discourage fungal growth are still in the experimental stages, with some treatments only making matters worse.

If you are trying to have your Building Performance Professional sort out what is going on in your attic, make sure they are familiar with the principles of Night Sky Radiation.

Why Wood Frame Attics Get Wet & Moldy in the Pacific Northwest

If for some reason the above link will not work you can try: Night Sky Radiation.

 

By Charles Buell, Real Estate Inspections in Seattle

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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

Charles Buell Wow!  Before this the worst I had seen was a new build riddled with termites - the builder forgot to do the termite treatment!

Oct 05, 2015 01:44 AM
Charles Buell

Tony and Suzanne, fortunately this actually, in itself, does very little actual damage

Oct 05, 2015 07:51 AM
Nicole Doty - Gilbert Real Estate Expert
Zion Realty - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner of Zion Realty ZionRealtyAZ.com

Mold is not a common problem here in the hot, dry, desert climate of Arizona but it's always interesting to read and learn about what others deal with in their markets!

Oct 05, 2015 02:03 AM
Charles Buell

Thanks Nicole

Oct 05, 2015 07:51 AM
Stefan Winter
Real Estate in IL & NV | Owner of Real Estate Web Tech | Daily Vlogger - Las Vegas, NV
Owner - Winter Group & Real Estate Web Tech

That is bad, luckly mold is not common here in Las Vegas unless it is due to a water lead in the pipes. Funny enough we do actually have rain today, one of the few chances to see if a house has a leak. Have a great week!

Oct 05, 2015 03:20 AM
Charles Buell

Inspecting in the rain is often good for the buyer :)

Oct 05, 2015 07:52 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Charles - Your posts that feature conditions common to your climate - which is so different from ours - are always an interesting read. I've never yet seen that effect here, but if I ever do, I'll have a suspect in mind.

Oct 05, 2015 07:26 AM
Charles Buell

Yes, I think it would very difficult to create this condition in your area.  Maybe a heated and uncovered pool right up agains the side of the house would do it :)

Oct 05, 2015 07:52 AM
Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

Unfamiliar with this problem in arid California. Doesn't  the barrier block the insulation condensation? 

Oct 05, 2015 11:54 AM
Charles Buell

Sam, I don't understand your question---can you re-phrase the question?

Oct 05, 2015 02:55 PM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

This looks like a very challenging problem.  

Oct 05, 2015 12:27 PM
Charles Buell

Indeed it is Joan and frankly there are not many easy choices in ways to deal with the issue---but metal roofs will help.

Oct 05, 2015 02:56 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Charles Buell something new I learned! I was thinking of a solution and that was another surprise to me when you mentioned....

"Adding more ventilation can contribute to a worsening of this condition."

Oct 05, 2015 02:28 PM
Charles Buell

Praful, you are not alone in thinking more ventilation is necessary.  In a way that is how the problem came to light by people trying that only to make matters worse.

Oct 05, 2015 02:57 PM
Gilbert Real Estate Experts: Colby & Michele Myers
Flat Fee Etc. Real Estate - Gilbert, AZ

Wow, another fact I learned. Thanks for the post.

Oct 05, 2015 03:57 PM
Charles Buell

Thanks Colby and Michele

Oct 07, 2015 12:02 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Of course you properly tasted that powdery stuff to make sure it was mold. 

It gets wet inside the roof there?  The shingles don't work?

That insulation looks like cellulose, but it is way thin.  Is that typical?

Oct 05, 2015 06:22 PM
Charles Buell

Nope Jay, this condition has nothing to do with the shingles.  The insulation is called silva-wood.  Shreaded and fire-retardant treated cedar.  Pretty good stuff---jus never more than 2 or three inches

Oct 07, 2015 12:04 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It might be wet there, but just looking at it surely it is not wet enough for me.

 

Very kindly,

 

Croakster

Oct 05, 2015 06:23 PM
Charles Buell

Not like enough for you Croakster

Oct 07, 2015 12:05 PM
Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

This is interesting information. I hadn't heard of this issue but it makes perfect sense when thinking about how wet that area can be.

Oct 05, 2015 08:38 PM
Charles Buell

It is something we will be hearing and learning more about I am sure

Oct 07, 2015 12:06 PM
Sham Reddy CRS
Howard Hanna RE Services, Dayton, OH - Dayton, OH
CRS

I did not know that:

Night Sky Radiation is when the roof sheathing temperature falls below the ambient dew point temperature as a result of net radiative heat loss to the much cooler night sky.

Oct 05, 2015 08:55 PM
Charles Buell

Sham, that is what they say :)

Oct 07, 2015 12:07 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

This would make a great SCI-FI movie.....Attack of the night crawling roof

Oct 06, 2015 12:15 AM
Charles Buell

I am sure there is a movie in there somewhere Richie :)

Oct 07, 2015 12:07 PM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

Charles … I’ve never heard of Night Sky Radiation. Knowing what it is, what causes it, and what homeowners can do to improve the condition is most helpful. Great informative post.

 

Oct 06, 2015 02:01 AM
Charles Buell

Thanks, this is pretty fun stuff to me.

Oct 07, 2015 12:08 PM
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

When I saw the words night sky radiation I was thinking something emitted by alien spaceships... Good lesson!

Oct 06, 2015 03:14 AM
Charles Buell

Gary, pretty much the same thing :)

Oct 07, 2015 12:08 PM
Stephen Weakley
Nationwide Mortgage Services - Rockville, MD

Always learning something new from home inspectors.  Thanks for the lesson.

Oct 07, 2015 07:18 AM
Charles Buell

Stephen, you are welcome

Oct 07, 2015 12:08 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I was beeeing faseeeshus about the shingles.

But I've never heard of that insulation!

Oct 08, 2015 12:55 AM
Charles Buell

Being in Cedar Country---we still see quite a bit of it.

Oct 08, 2015 01:08 AM