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Do You Understand Flood Plains?

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Real Estate Agent with RLAH@properties AB95346

Tonight, it was hard to watch the late night news and all of the pictures of the flooding in South Carolina.  They interviewed a guy standing on his screened-in porch with water lapping up to the top step.  He was talking about how he was so much more fortunate than his across the street neighbors - their entire first floor flooded.

I am the daughter of a hydrologist who ended a long career at the US Geological Survey as Lord of the Floor Plains.  And the only time I ever heard him rant, it was about building on or very close to creeks and rivers that were vulnerable to flooding during heavy rains.

He felt strongly that, if you wanted a river view, that was fine.  But he didn't think the US taxpayers should subsidize your hazard insurance for your view. 

There's no doubt about it.  A river view, almost any river view, can add a boatload to the selling price of a house.  And over the last several years, I've shown many homes that have had some kind of water feature, or issue depending on how you look at it. 

Of course, I'll call the listing agent and ask about the flood plain.  Does she have the map - I couldn't find it with the disclosures.

Huh?

Floodplain?

What's that?

With the weather getting so unpredictable, I think it's important to get floodplain information whenever we list a house where you can see water.  And same thing goes for buyer brokers when we have a client flip out over Dream House on the Potomac (or any river). 

Last time it was an issue for me, I learned that both state and federal agencies map floodplains, and the little rascals change every so often. 

And while living in a waterfront home can be quite seductive, you have to keep in mind that, like the guy on the 11 o'clock news tonight, you could at some point in the near future find yourself mopping up.

Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher

I just want everybody to be safe in general and I'll leave it at that.

Oct 07, 2015 03:49 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I had a client a couple of months ago unable to buy a house because of some new law about flood insurance tacked on to the home insurance.  It was huge, and it remained during the entirety of the loan.  That was in Leesburg.  I don't know if it was state, county, insurance or bank imposed, but she could not afford the house with that new charge!

Weather so unpredictable?  It's never been predictable. 

Weather has always been as crazy as it is now.  And if you don't like it, wait a minute.

Oct 07, 2015 06:14 PM
Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

Good morning Pat. Yes I do, in my business I deal with flood insurance day in and day out. Unfortunately the cost of coverage is really getting crazy.

Oct 07, 2015 08:05 PM
Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

I was in Illinois they had a storm that flooded many of the metropolitan. It was on the 500 year map and not on 100 year flood plain.

Oct 07, 2015 08:11 PM
Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

I check most houses to ensure there is no flooding issue -- even if there isn't visible water around, some places just have a tendency to flood and need insurance.

Oct 07, 2015 09:09 PM
Conrad Allen
Re/Max Professional Associates - Webster, MA
Webster, Ma, Realtor

Hi Pat.  As an appraiser I have to let the lender know if it is in a flood plain.

Oct 07, 2015 09:43 PM
Fred Carver Real Estate Consulant
Retired BC Realtor - Victoria, BC
Accredited Real Estate Consultant

Hi Patricia Kennedy Thanks for the recommendation, I'm not sure if we have a flood plane map, I'm sure going to find out.

Cheers, have a fin and successful day!

Oct 08, 2015 12:12 AM
Kristin Johnston - REALTOR®
RE/MAX Platinum - Waukesha, WI
Giving Back With Each Home Sold!

I always think about this type of thing....especially watching tragedy on the news!

Oct 08, 2015 12:17 AM
Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can!
Red Rock Real Estate (435) 632-9374 - St. George, UT
St. George Utah Area Residential Sales Agent

Great point of view Pat! I always find out where a client will stand regarding flood plains. One year a home may be one stap away form a flood zone but the next they could be in it.

Oct 08, 2015 12:22 AM
Anonymous
Kathy Fisher

Great information! Thanks for the post. For everyone, can you give us a place to start when wanting to obtain a flood plan map for our areas?

Oct 08, 2015 12:23 AM
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DEANNA C. SMITH CERTIFIED MOBILE NOTARY
Certified Mobile Notary Signing Agent - Smith Mountain Lake, VA
Highest Ranked Certified Mobile Notary in Virginia

For those of you looking for waterfront property, we would welcome all of you to beautiful Smith Mountain Lake, Va. where we have over 500 miles of fabulous waterfront.   We built our house 10 feet ABOVE the "catastrophic failure" level of the dam so we have a 22,000 acre swimming hole in our back yard without the flooding danger.

  As my husband says, "Smart advance planning is the key to surviving disasters".   Buyers should always consider the possible effects of water as well as fire, landslide and other dangers

Oct 08, 2015 02:25 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Pat - I just showed a gorgeous mountain property last week that sat right on the banks of a river that has flooded three times in the last 10 years. Neither my buyer nor I could imagine buying that home.

Oct 08, 2015 03:42 AM
Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Thank you so much for your comments.

As to where to get information, the US Geological Survey has a lot of information on its website, but most of it is awfully technical.  Probably the experts on just where the flood plains are and whether they are 100 or 500 (or even 5) year plains, are the insurance companies.  

Oct 08, 2015 06:40 AM
Carrie Johnston
Lafayette, IN

Flood Plains are continually changing in Indiana - seller never was now the buyer must have flood insurance and then we deal with elevation surveys which can take awhile with FEMA

Oct 08, 2015 07:25 AM
Jeanne Dufort
Coldwell Banker Lake Country - Madison, GA
Madison and Lake Oconee GA

I live on Lake Oconee, at 19,500 acres its Georgia's second largest lake. So, yes, I do know about flood plain maps.  Here in Georgia, you can look at the maps most often on the county tax assessor mapping website - they show the FEMA maps, which are not always accurate, of course. Once you determine a property has been tagged by FEMA, you next step may be to contact a surveyor to do an elevation survey of your improvements to see if they are actually in the flood plain....

Oct 08, 2015 07:49 AM
Patricia Kennedy

Jeanne, as lakes and streams go through subtle changes, these maps have to be redrawn.  Something to think about!

Oct 08, 2015 08:00 AM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

I deal with Flood Plains a lot in my area...What is happening out east is unheard of,.

Oct 08, 2015 08:30 AM
Gayle Rich-Boxman Fishhawk Lake Real Estate
John L Scott Market Center - Birkenfeld, OR
"Your Local Expert!" 503-739-3843

OMG, preachin' to the choir here. On the anniversary of my first year in real estate about 10 years ago (pretty much to the day), our lake flooded. AND our hotel flooded IN HAWAII the same day! Yes, it was the same storm all along the Pacific coastline. I have told this story ad nauseum. As a result I had to learn more about FEMA guidelines (or lack thereof!!!) than I ever cared to. And it's an ever-moving target. The left hand of this form of governmental agency is definitely NOT talking to the right hand. They are often clueless, ask for more money than they should, don't realize that you are NOT in a designated flood plain and if you are not on top of things for months at a time, jumping through copious amounts of hoops, they will simply take your thousands of dollars and NOT re-pay you when you prove unequivocably  that YOU are correct and they are NOT.

My husband and I JUST went through this arduous task. A letter of map amendment trumps anything. OMAP for short. We had our land surveyed and proved over and over again that we were out of the flood zone and after many many months and a letter or map amendment that our surveyor helped us with, we were able to get the goverment to say YES, you are right, you are NOT in a designated flood zone. FINALLY. It then took months to get the money back that we have spent (in the thousands). 

Oy vey. 

Oct 08, 2015 09:26 AM
Barbara Calwhite
Keller Williams Realty of Southwest Missouri - Joplin, MO
417-438-7387 Specializing in Relocation

Great information.  We deal with flood maps and FEMA a lot in our area with all the lakes and streams we have.

Oct 08, 2015 10:56 PM
Lynn B. Friedman CRS Atlanta, GA 404-617-6375
Atlanta Homes ODAT Realty - Love our Great City - Love our Clients! Buckhead - Midtown - Westside - Atlanta, GA
Concierge Service for Our Atlanta Sellers & Buyers

Patricia Kennedy 
When I was on the GW headed to the airport on Friday, October 2nd, 2015 - the Potomac was the highest I have ever seen and across the way - at Roach's Run - it ooked like another river!!

Pat - another thing for Homeowners along bodies of water to remember is that when the water starts coming --- it may rise VERY FAST. Getting out as soon as possible is the smart thing to do.
Thanks for bringing the topic front and center -
Lynn

 

 

Oct 09, 2015 04:01 AM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

Our MLS and tax record has a link to the FEMA maps and we can see the latest maps. We had a 500 year flood a few years ago and places you would never expect to flood, flooded. It pays to check to see what you are dealing with before the sale.

Oct 09, 2015 01:16 PM