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Finally - Three Different Drywall Materials In One Shower Remodel!

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

Finally - three different drywall materials in one shower remodel!

It isn't often that you see such creativity, but I did.  Perhaps my year is complete.

We arrived at a home inspection with the remodeling in progress.

In the basement bathroom, to which was added a shower stall, this is what we saw.

On the left at the shower hardware is 1/4" regular drywall.

On the back wall in the center of the photo is 1/2" regular drywall.  That is also what is behind the new tile on the right of the photo.

High on the back wall is a small section of the proper stuff - a cement board made for shower stalls which meets the newer code (since 2006).

Regular drywall and the newer vaunted "green board" are no longer considered appropriate for shower stall applications.

The code is clear:

R307.2 Bathtub and shower spaces.
Bathtub and shower floors and walls above bathtubs with installed shower heads and in shower compartments shall be finished with a nonabsorbent surface. Such wall surfaces shall extend to a height of not less than 6 feet (1829 mm) above the floor.

R702.4.1 General. Ceramic tile surfaces shall be installed in accordance with ANSI A108.1, A108.4, A108.5, A108.6, A108.11, A118.1, A118.3, A136.1 and A137.1.

R702.4.2 Fiber-cement, fiber-mat reinforced cementitious backer units, glass mat gypsum backers and fiber-reinforced gypsum backers. Fiber-cement, fiber-mat reinforced cementitious backer units, glass mat gypsum backers or fiber-reinforced gypsum backers in compliance with ASTM C 1288, C 1325, C 1178 or C 1278, respectively, and installed in accordance with manufacturers’ recommendations shall be used as backers for wall tile in tub and shower areas and wall panels in shower areas.

Why not drywall or green board any longer?  Because they ARE absorbent materials, subject to mold, and will deteriorate when wet.  What's appropriate now?  The cement boards, or other non-absorbent material.

In addition, here the thicknesses of the two materials on the rear wall were disparate.

Tile is not likely to stick too well to different planes!

This contractor apparently just threw up whatever he had available.  The code?  We don't need no stinkin' code!  Best practice?  We don't need no stinkin' best practice!

Remember, the code is the MINIMUM STANDARD.  There is nothing particularly exceptional about the code.  It's intent?  Propriety and safety, basically.  But at least it provides a floor from which to begin!

Had we come AFTER the tile installation, OF COURSE, we could not have seen this drywall menagerie.

My recommendation:  woulda, coulda that I could show up during each step of the way watching remodeling and flips for all my clients!   You wonder, I wonder, we all wonder what is being done to a house during remodeling and flipping!  I have had posts like this before!  And things don't seem to change.  What's the saying?  There's nothing new under the sun.  Perhaps...

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


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Dennis Swartz
Full Circle Property Management - Columbus, OH
MBA, GRI...experience counts!

I bet few people ever do showers right...

Dec 15, 2015 07:14 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Dennis - a pro always does showers right. 

Says he, with a wink.

Dec 15, 2015 07:22 PM
Lise Howe
Keller Williams Capital Properties - Washington, DC
Assoc. Broker in DC, MD, VA and attorney in DC

Wow - the things you see each day! and it is always a treat to read your posts! I am going to be blogging for the Leesburg Patch - Can I interview you some time - just some Q and A's that I can turn into a blog - we might do something that would get you some business..... Call me when you have time if that is of interest 

Dec 15, 2015 08:08 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Sure Lise.  I have been in various Patch articles around the country.  Email me when you want to talk.

 

 

Dec 15, 2015 08:14 PM
Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY

Good morning Jay,

As I will be having a bathroom redone I will have to remember this.

Thanks for sharing as usual.

Make yourself a great day.

Dec 15, 2015 08:53 PM
Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Oswego, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Good morning Jay! Oh, what is really behind the tile, only the contractor knows! Enjoy your day!

Dec 15, 2015 08:56 PM
Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

Apparently they were hoping you had not read the code as they used up their scraps for this little project.

Dec 15, 2015 08:59 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Raymond - cement board is available at the hardware store.  It is not more expensive than drywall, and cuts the same.  Screw it on.  If you don't you will screw it up.   Bada boom...

Drywall covers a multitude of sins, Raymond.  So does tile!

Bob - there were a couple of other things the "contractors" were doing!

 

Dec 15, 2015 09:19 PM
Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

Jay Markanich What a horrible mess this shower stall disaster is and will be for any future owner of this home. 

Dec 15, 2015 10:42 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

My client was informed S&N.  We'll see if it gets done right.

Dec 15, 2015 10:47 PM
Fred Hernden, CMI
Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area - Albuquerque, NM
Albuquerque area Master Inspector

Looks like they gathered some scraps to try and "GitRDone"

1/4"...lol, nice!

Dec 15, 2015 11:41 PM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Jay - There's really no substitute for a competent, professional builder. I shudder when I show completed flips these days, imagining things like this.

Dec 16, 2015 04:27 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Scraps indeed Fred.  I doubt I would have been blamed down the road when this problem manifested itself, but this is incompetence on parade.

Dick - nope!  No substitute indeed.   I was a little put off arriving to see contractors there, but glad I did after I found what was going on!

Dec 16, 2015 09:19 AM
Stephen Weakley
Nationwide Mortgage Services - Rockville, MD

Should have finished the tile job before you showed up.  D'oh.

Dec 17, 2015 12:20 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

They didn't know I was coming, Stephen, and I am pretty sure they did not know what material is appropriate and what is not.

Dec 17, 2015 01:07 AM
DEANNA C. SMITH CERTIFIED MOBILE NOTARY
Certified Mobile Notary Signing Agent - Smith Mountain Lake, VA
Highest Ranked Certified Mobile Notary in Virginia

I hope your client had them rip it all out and start over again Jay Markanich .   Something like that can only get worse and deadly over time.

Dec 19, 2015 10:02 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Not sure he can control that Deanna!  But the realtor was there and they both contemplated the addendum as I was speaking with the contractor!

Dec 20, 2015 01:31 AM