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Milking the "cash cow" to last drop...No payback required

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Real Estate Agent with Century 21 Redwood DC-SP98366576

                                                            

Showing homes over the last month or so, I have noticed a new phenomenon. Bank owned properties seem to be missing appliances. In our market, it is customary that there is a stove and a refrigerator in the home. If you are selling, these items, along with other appliances usually convey. We have a specific document that is filled in at the time of listing that identifies which items will convey.

Apparently, well, let's just say, my best guess is that folks that have stopped paying the mortgage have found yet another way to convert their investment into cash. They can't get a home equity line anymore. The spigot is not totally dry ......

                                                                  

 

If I am not mistaken, it may be a buyer's market for used appliances at salvage yards and stores that feature second hand refrigerators, stoves, etc.   Take a walk around an average home and you will discover that it is packed with treasures. All you have to do is tear them out, pack them up and sell them at a salvage yard.

            

 

When you are down and out, it seems you can justify anything. So, off they go to the junk yard. Houses stripped bare. House value reaching the lowest level. Yep, they even tear through the drywall to get at the copper piping. A winterized home is easy to strip.

 

This little stop .....       becomes the final ..... 

 

Is it just me, or does this strike anyone else as the last slap in the face? Everyone is willing to admit that some homeowners made bad choices in loan programs. Most people feel that some loans were presented as the best or only option for a borrower. There were problems all around.

Do we now just turn a "blind eye" to the looting of property? I realize that it is usually being done by the homeowner. I understand, that legally, they probably are within their rights to strip the home. After all, we have told them that they are homeowners.

Who will defend the rights of the neighborhood? It is one thing to see property values decrease because of a market adjustment, it is quite another to see neighborhoods suffer because of the behavior of another.

I don't have an answer. I know the government has addressed the situation by bailing out the big lenders and helping out the people in trouble by waiving tax consequences on the amount forgiven. There is so much boiling below the surface regarding our housing dilemma, we may never see a return to a "normal" market.

I guess I just wonder if anyone else realizes that the stove that is ripped out of home and sold for scrap will eventually cause one student in the third grade across town to have to share a text book. Our actions do not occur in a vacuum. Our society is woven together like a fine tapestry. Pull that string selfishly and you begin an unraveling that will impact others.

I realize you can not steal from yourself....well maybe you can. I wish I could put my finger on why this new behavior stinks. I only hope that the smell will reach a wiser nose than mine and something will be done to correct the problem.

Comments(10)

Rosario Lewis
DDR Realty - Newburgh, NY
GRI, SRES - DDR Realty - Orange County, NY
I have seen the same bareness in foreclosures too, so there is nothing regional about it. Here, appliances that are not built in are considered non-real estate items, and there is no obligation to leave them in a home.
Apr 24, 2008 03:22 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Great subject John.  Unless I'm mistaken, the owner is violating the terms of the Deed of Trust by making the property unmarketable.  Of course, they did that first by stopping the mortgage payments. 

Unless things have changed, most FHA and VA financing require a working kitchen and baths, meaning if the stove is ripped out, the buyer may not be able to get a loan.  We used to sell the old HUD homes with no appliances, but HUD has special powers for selling their junk.  There has always been a cabal that routinely stripped HUD homes of appliances, heating/cooling/bathroom fixtures, etc. right before or as soon as HUD took possession.  I always suspected that the leader was a HUD employee or somehow connected to the company that had the maintenance contract.  I don't believe in coincidences. 

Homes in AA, Calvert, St. Mary's, Carroll and pockets of other areas have conveyed with out refrigerators forever, although that really changed in more recent years. 

Perhaps we'll get to a place where we sell homes as they do in Europe, with no appliances. 

Apr 24, 2008 03:26 AM
Kevin O'Shea
Coldwell Banker - White Plains, NY
White Plains, NY Real Estate

It is sad that it has come to this.  Some criminal, some desperate. I am almost sorry you posted this because some people might take it as a good idea.

All the best!

Apr 24, 2008 03:29 AM
Stanton Homes
Stanton Homes - New Home Builder - Raleigh, NC
Design/Build Custom Home Builder in North Carolina

If the "homeowner" is not actually paying their mortgage, do they have the right to remove anything from the home?  If they've actually paid 5%, 1%, or less towards the balance on the home, and the bank still owns the rest, do they have the right to remove anything?  Don't think so - sounds like theft to me.

Apr 24, 2008 03:30 AM
Jennifer Monroe
Indigo Home Team powered by Compass - Charlotte, NC
Real Estate REALTOR®/Broker/Designer

I refused to take a listing about a month ago from a seller who is losing their home to forclosure. I declined to represent them because they let me know in no uncertain terms that they plan to take everything they can strip from the house. Seriously? 

Good people are losing their homes and it's a shame. But this practice demonstrates that some who are in this position may be the type of person who doesn't deserve our sympathy. It's an awful practice and I hate seeing it.

btw... I agree with Lenn today ;-) 

Apr 24, 2008 03:54 AM
Melina Tomson
Tomson Burnham, llc Licensed in the State of Oregon - Salem, OR
Principal Broker/Owner, M.S.
People who take this action shouldn't own homes because they are unable to see the consequences of their actions.  This real estate market impacts the entire community and not one selfish homeowner.  Unfortunately, they don't see it that way, but maybe that's why they are in the mess they are in.
Apr 24, 2008 08:30 AM
Terry & Bonnie Westbrook
Westbrook Realty Broker-Owner - Grand Rapids, MI
Westbrook Realty - Grand Rapids Forest Hills MI Re
I wrote a story about the home built in 2001 and the sellers took the kitchen, bath room, furnace, hot-water heater, heat registers, interior doors and some of the wood trim. I am not surprised about anything any more.
Apr 24, 2008 02:35 PM
Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

Doesn't make a lot of sense to those of us who are working and aren't facing the loss of our home.  It isn't right but if you need money to pay the bills you do what you do.  I'm not going to judge anyone who takes their appliances with them when they go thinking that it will somehow make a difference.  No matter how they got into the financial mess they are in distress and sometimes we don't make the best decisions when your life is caving in around you.

Apr 25, 2008 01:50 AM
John MacArthur
Century 21 Redwood - Washington, DC
Licensed Maryland/DC Realtor, Metro DC Homes

Cindy- "if you need money to pay the bills you do what you do."  "'The End justifies the Means' is a maxim which originated in an accusation made by Protestants against the Jesuits. Although few would openly proclaim such a cynical maxim, it is clearly the conception which justified the atrocities of Stalinism and the use of terror by some who claimed to be pursuing the socialist objective. The idea that some means (such as the use of violence against political opponents, or lying to the working class) which is inconsistent with the aim (world peace, socialism) can in some way serve that end is untenable. There is always some "tension" between Ends and Means - Means refer always to existing conditions as they are while the End refers to how things ought to be.

So who decides the demarcation point? Who decides which bills, which situation and when we should turn our heads the other way?

I willingly accept the label of a social liberal. I have the capacity to bend over backwards until I become a full circle. I do not do so in a general fashion. General thoughts are related to the ebb and flow of society. Specific thoughts are generated by specific situations.

I do not believe the we should "carte blanche" shrug our shoulders in this matter. We can not lump those that are truly in a hardship situation with those that are unable to maintain their current lifestyle. If you are starving, I may overlook your theft of a loaf of bread. If you are hungry, I may see that in a different light. If you don't have the money to pay, that is a different circumstance. If you belief the price of bread is too high because of price increases, well that again is yet another circumstance.

I try to be mindful of the fact that most of the people stripping homes are not paying many bills at all. They are not paying a mortgage, which is one of the biggest bills due each month. Some may be in a bad situation because of life changes other than an interest rate increase. There are many variables.

On the surface, stripping a house for parts and selling off appliances is devaluing the security that has been placed for the mortgage. Not only is the mortgage going unpaid, the value of the security is being reduced in a willful fashion. I can not pinpoint a law that is being broken.

I can just tell you that in my gut...it feels dishonest and wrong.

Apr 25, 2008 02:42 AM
Chad Baird
Re/Max Spirit - Dayton, OH

Without knowing the situation you never know who did what, the owner or somebody else.  Appliances are common to convey with the property, but not standard.  I've dealt with many folks facing forclosure.  They fridge is on a "rent to own" contract.  They don't own the fridge (or appliance). 

Another huge issue in my area are contractors.  There is alot of cheap properties and alot of rehabbing going on.  They will need a furnace let say.  They know which properties are vacant and will go "shop" and take it.  Might as well throw in some "new" kitchen cabinets as well.  Grab that faucet as well, im starting a project that needs it.  I deal with alot of contractors, they know it happens all the time.  Of course they would never do it. 

I had a listing owned by an out of state owner who lost a small fortune due to stripping of the house.  Everything is gone.  Somebody took the front door and a window.  They cut the window out of the house???? 

Then there is always the neighbors as well.  They know the house is vacant, they know what was left.  They will "pick the carcass" as well.  They will take that ceiling fan.  They know that carpet was just layed last year and in fine shape.  We have the same size room.....

Apr 25, 2008 03:09 AM