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For Sale By Owner: Raise The Price Then Call A REALTOR®?

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Services for Real Estate Pros with RealSatisfied

This was posted on Twitter by someone trying to sell his home himself:

For Sale By Owner"If I can't line up a buyer by May month-end, I'll raise the price and get a Realtor involved. Hope I don't have to do THAT."

He posted that in the morning on April 27th. Then, a little over 24 hours later on April 28th, he posted this:

"Got a buyer for my condo. They want me to hold the mortgage. Any advice?"

This is an intelligent, technologically savvy home owner in Arizona who wants to sell a home without using a real estate agent.

Why? We can only guess, of course, but it appears he's trying to keep from paying the commission. But he's willing to sell the home for a lower price to do so. In addition, he's found a "buyer" who now wants him to hold the mortgage. 

What would you say to this home owner? Why should he get a REALTOR® now and not later?

I know your responses may be longer than might be appropriate in a comment, so I invite you to write your responses as your own posts and link them here in the comments.

Maybe I'll forward this to him when we have a few responses. I mean, he did ask for some advice.


Comments (143)

Lovejoy Team
Re/Max Alliance - Brandon, MS

We picked up a FSBO that had been on the market for over 6 months. We had him paint a couple of rooms, clean the place up a bit. Then we raised the price $10k and sold it in two weeks. He netted out more after paying us than he would if he had got full list price on his own.

Nov 16, 2008 01:30 PM
Morgan Evans
Douglas Elliman Real Estate - Manhattan, NY
LICENSED REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON

I recently responded to a new home buyer who just entered contract in a co-op building and is at the point where if he used an agent to purchase he wouldn't be asking for help at this point.  Not using an agent is totally fine, but you should at least consult one if you have never bought or sold before.  Going in alone is just a little bit careless and foolish with so much money on the line.

Nov 25, 2008 10:14 PM
Dave Park
Advantage Inspection Raleigh - Raleigh, NC
"The Maverick Builder"

Jeff,

This show the intelligence of that the Social Media has created on one end.  On the other end, it show the need for a communication to exist between the Real Estate community and prospective clients.

Open the MLS up to the consumer on a low level.  Create transparency in the industry and services that meet these new expectations.  The area, service, brokerage, agent, that greets and meets this new environment will become a leader in the marketplace and success will follow.

There will always be a court jester or fool in our crowd.  He just gets the leftovers.

Maverick Rules! 

Dec 20, 2008 07:23 AM
Rob and Camille Di Maio
San Antonio Real Estate - Keller Williams Legacy - San Antonio, TX

This is the kind of advice that we get PAID for!

Jan 20, 2009 01:28 AM
Eileen Hsu
Douglas Elliman Real Estate - Manhattan, NY
LICENSED REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON

Hopefully by the time I write this, he has already sold by himself...? Perhaps he can see if any agent would offer any advise to him and send him an invoice by the hour. I say $500 an hour to give him some seller consultation.

Jan 21, 2009 01:45 PM
Shellye Meyer
Mel Foster Co. - Bettendorf, IA
One half of My RealTeam

He needs an attorney if he can get his own property sold and doesn't need to buy. Then hire an attorney - one that specializes in real estate and pray the buyer has an agent.

Jan 21, 2009 01:59 PM
R.E. Renée Hoover, Salesperson
Century 21 Geba Realty, Milford, PA; Licensed in PA & NYS - Milford, PA
Poconos, Pike, Wayne, Monroe Counties, PA; PA/NYS

So basically this guy wants something for nothing.  He would not retain a realtor but now he's reaching out for sage advice from business professionals.  Free advice is like a free lunch - there is none.

Jan 25, 2009 11:09 AM
Kerry Lucasse
eXp Realty - Urban Nest Real Estate Group - Atlanta, GA
Your Urban Nest Atlanta Real Estate Consultant

It sounds like he needs a Realtor and an attorney... but it sounds like he only wants FREEadvice.  It's a slippery slope!

Jan 26, 2009 02:31 AM
Charles Fischer
Housing Market Realty - Merritt Island, FL
Professional Real Estate Services

I am a newbie to AR and I am an investor not a realtor, but I always hire a Realtor to sell my properties, well worth the cost.  But what do I know, I only make a living in real estate.  You get what you pay for.  That guy might get more than he paid for: a very expense lesson.

Jan 27, 2009 01:09 PM
Anonymous
real estate 201

Interesting in my 23years experience in real estate how I have come to find much of the real estate market stuck in a conventional rut. Taking the extra mile will benefit all parties down the road. Most agents are in fact self promoter's of an out of date system that hasn't been reformed since the eighties. With that said, when executing any FSBO contract have a financial adviser, attorney review. A 20% carry should be welcoming, put the deal through..not to mention there are financial institutions that will purchase this note if correctly notarized and recorded for a percent on the dollar.

Jan 29, 2009 05:37 AM
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Anonymous
Northwest lenders LLC

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Will Mortgage Credit Crunch and Impending Foreclosures Cause Increase in Homes For Sale by Owner?

Much of the recent news regarding the mortgage meltdown and waves of possible foreclosures due to individuals who can’t refinance and can’t sell due to lack of equity raises the question if more people will sell their homes “For Sale by Owner”.

We happen to think that the number of FSBO listings will increase over the next few years due to a few reasons. We think this increase will be fueled by a “need” not a “desire” to sell FSBO.

Here are some of the scenarios where homeowners will attempt to sell their homes for sale by owner.

- Homeowners with little or no equity will be facing foreclosure. They may need to ell FSBO because they don’t have at least 10% equity in their homes to pay the real estate agent commissions and they don’t want to incur the possible tax liability of a real estate short sale.

- Homeowners with adjusting sub-prime loans that don’t qualify for the new FHASecure refinance. After the first adjustment of their ARM mortgages these individuals realize they cannot afford the home and cannot refinance. They will tend to try and sell FSBO again due to a lack of equity.

- Tightening underwriting standards may cause sellers to sell by owner to protect net proceeds from sell. Appraisals will come in short or get cut by some lenders. Some of these sellers may try to sell FSBO after the initial transaction cancels, eliminating the real estate commission they can drop the price but maintain their net proceeds.

These are just some quick thoughts as to common scenarios that will cause home sellers to consider selling their homes for sale by owner. What do you think?

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Record 103 Million Home Sold... FSBO

According to an article in USA Today, a 40 acre Hamptons, NY ocean view property has been sold "For Sale by Owner", saving the owners well over 5 million in real estate commissions*.

The buyer of the property was Mr. Ron Baron of the Baron Funds investments and the seller was Adelaide de Menil, heiress to the Schlumberger oil fortune.

Of course, this is not your typical home buyer & seller but it does show that "for sale by owner" sales happen in every price range, every day.

Last year, the NAR reported in its 2006 Home buyers & Home sellers Survey that 12% of all homes sold last year were "FSBO" while another 8% were sold as FSBO with an MLS-only (often called "flat-fee mls only" posting).

These "for sale by owner" transactions represents over 20% of all 6.478 million** homes or about 1.29 million homes with a median price of $221K*** for a estimated total equity savings of $17,105,540,000,000!

Real estate commissions are based on the sales price of a home but what most home sellers don't look at is the actual cost of the real estate commission based on their homes actual equity.

Since many homeowners have purchased or recently cashed-out refinanced their homes to high loan to values, they will often see that more of their equity is spent on real estate agent commissions then they will earn from actually owning and selling their home!

Here is a real estate commission calculator that can help determine your net cost of selling a home with a real estate agent or if you should be selling FSBO.


View USA Today article

Jan 29, 2009 05:41 AM
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BILL CHERRY
Bill Cherry, Realtor - Dallas, TX
Broker & Wealth Coach

Interestingly, I know Mrs. de Menil, and have for at least thirty years.  I don't know Mr. Baron, although the chances are that he and Mrs. de Menil are acquaintances if not social friends.

This USA Today story is a bit misleading, although I'm sure it's unintentional.  Here's why:

Like many very wealthy people, Mrs. de Menil uses attorneys and her selected real estate brokers to assist her in transacting business.  She pays them a fee directly to represent her. 

You can bet this was not a deal made and cut between her and the buyer as is inferred.

Most of my real estate income over the years has come from clients like Mrs. de Menil who pay me directly for advice and for negotiating their real estate business.

Feb 04, 2009 02:47 PM
David Coffman
Exit Realty 1st Choice - Tucson, AZ

When we as a Industry, decide to police our fellow REALTORs and ask that they conduct business as committed full time agents, this kind of problem will disappear. The truth is that we REALTORS are viewed to be as lowly as the used car salesman. I have to admit, I know too many in the business that this description fits, giving us all a bad rep. If we clean ourselves up, the rest will be history! FSBO's are right! A big part of our agent community aren't worth the commissions paid. Once we rid ourselves of the "Country Clubbers" our reputations will soar.

Feb 12, 2009 08:35 AM
Maya Thomas, Broker
Tampa, FL
Please see my client recommendations.

If he is selling on his own he needs to figure the rest out on his own.

Mar 20, 2009 01:37 AM
William James Walton Sr.
WEICHERT, REALTORS® - Briotti Group - Waterbury, CT
Greater Waterbury Real Estate

Is he serious???? Really, is he? He should have gotten a realtor first, then he wouldn't be in any sort of mess...

Mar 20, 2009 01:40 AM
Peggy Christopher
Four Seasons Realty Inc. - Osage Beach, MO

Jeff,

What I would like to see, is, how you would response to this person.  I know how I would respond and it would short and sweet, that's what Realtors are for:) 

Peggy

Apr 16, 2009 04:12 AM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA

I was hoping a REALTOR® would write their own post that both answered his quesition, illustrated just how hard what he was trying to accomplish would be and attracted other's like him to contact them. That never happened.

Apr 16, 2009 06:16 AM
"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL

Hmmm...

Sounds to me like you've just issued a challenge :)

TLW...ROAR!

Apr 16, 2009 09:35 AM
Ronda Ching Day
Coldwell Banker Pacific Properties - Honolulu, HI
Call "Help Me Ronda" for your Real Estate Needs!

We are in a new era of tech-savvy marketing!  Isn't it wonderful that this new medium makes information easy and fast for all parties to view and sift through? 

Marketing is just one aspect of a real estate transaction.  The sales and closing the transaction are other phases and equally important.  One of the many caveats for the neophyte FSBO (for sale by owner) or first-time homebuyer is that the real estate transaction is unique to the parties, the home, the neighborhood, and the economy and planning or resourceful help may be required to successfully close a transaction with minimal stress to all parties. 

Some transactions can occur without a hitch.  Many, however (especially in this time of stringent credit and changing underwriting guidelines) can require the skill of an experienced realtor, financier or attorney who can handle the negotiations between a FSBO and a savvy investor to a first time homebuyer, as well as, the emotions or stress of the buyer obtaining financing, the coordination of other realty-related professionals, and the task management of other items that different situations require.  In addition to using the expertise of an agent and the agent's broker and brokerage, the FSBO can benefit from seller representation by a Realtor because the Realtor should have E&O (errors and omissions) insurance coverage for that particular transaction.

If you assume that the tech savvy FSBO will undoubtedly attract many prospects, it would be understandable that he could easily find many prospects and or multiple offers.  Would the FSBO be equipped to handle these situations and legal documents?

The FSBO may not realize that buyers may look online for home information but they often rely on Realtor expertise for neighborhood information, home pricing evaluation, contract negotiations, escrow closings and moving details.   A first-time buyer may be enthusiastic but may not be equipped to complete the sale should unexpected events occur.   In addition, if the buyer is looking at many different neighborhoods, cities, or homes for that matter, and it may be advantageous for an agent to point out the strengths of the FSBOs home compared to the other homes, neighborhoods, or cities the buyer or buyer's agent may be looking at so that the FSBO doesn't appear desparate to sell and can maintain his position on pricing or terms.

Perhaps this tech savvy FSBO can provide some tech marketing and negotiate the fee with a realtor to compensate him for some marketing efforts.

Ronda Ching Day

Realty Executives Oahu

 

 

Apr 16, 2009 10:59 AM
Kelsey Barklow
Hurd Realty - Johnson City, TN
423/948-9154

This is funny. I keep getting emails from a FSBO condo seller and his last email read, "price lowered $7,000 now" or something along those lines. Hmmm, that's about equal to the commission he would have paid a Realtor had he listed it with one several months ago! Will they never learn? Good post and topic.

Apr 26, 2009 12:12 PM