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Inspector Got Steamed Up On The Roof

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Home Inspector with King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. Home Inspector Lic #207

The whitish vapor you see coming out the flue that is closest to you is indicative of a safety problem. It is also something an inspector sees a lot of. I was up on a roof and had identified the two flues to the right as having come from abandoned fireplaces. In that case, they should have been capped off. However, as I was up on the roof, suddenly the steam and distinctive exhaust gases from a gas burning appliance started coming out the one flue. This is an unsafe way to vent gas appliances. Full details of why this common, but old-fashion arrangement, is a problem are listed below.

Sizing: A flue needs to be sized for the appliance it serves. The furnace and water heater in your home have a BTU (British Thermal Unit) rating usually listed in terms of thousands of BTU. It is the heat generated by the appliance that promotes venting. If you have a large, cold chimney and a small BTU appliance, it may not generate enough heat for the flue gases to rise inside the chimney. Adding a properly sized flue liner reduces the area to be heated by the appliance and therefore increases the venting capacity of the chimney.

Vapor: One of the byproducts of burning fossil fuels such as natural gas or oil is water vapor. If the chimney is unlined and cold, the water vapor will condense inside the chimney and the chimney will become wet. A wet chimney can stain the walls and ceiling of the home and rust out the metal flue pipes.

Gases: Other byproducts of combustion are nitrogen dioxide and carbon monoxide. When the water vapor produced by combustion combines with nitrogen dioxide, the result is nitric acid. Acid vapors can eat away at the mortar in the brick chimney. When the chimney passes through a home, if there is a problem like this, it can result in poisonous gases making their way into the home.

Efflorescence: This is a whitish mineral powder that forms on the inside or outside brick of the chimney that is exposed to the air. When water vapor soaks into the brick, the moisture migrates through the brick, usually to the exterior, where it evaporates, leaving behind minerals collected by the water. The minerals form a whitish powder that can usually be brushed off. In winter, the migrating water freezes inside the brick, resulting in damaged brick or a cracked chimney. For more information, check out this blog by James Quarello, home inspector.

 

Steven L. Smith

Bellingham WA Home Inspections

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Adam Brett
The Adam and Eric Group - Fullerton, CA
The Adam and Eric Group, Fullerton's Finest
THanks for the info,  Very complete and easy to understand.
Apr 30, 2008 04:23 AM
Sean Allen
International Financing Solutions - Fort Myers, FL
International Financing Solutions

Hey Steve,

That was very interesting and it taught me something new.

Sean Allen

Apr 30, 2008 07:17 AM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR
Steven, I thought you had more imagination.  This could have been an apparition.  Imagine its disappointment when you just called it some kind of gas instead of getting scared and falling off the roof!  I've been visiting blogs to comment on and I must admit you and your friend are as much fun as anyone on Activerain.....that I've found!  : )
Apr 30, 2008 01:30 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector
Thanks for the comments all. Barbara, I suppose when you refer to my "friend" you mean that Charlie B guy. It is hard to compete with him. He is just such a showboat. I call him Broadway Charlie B.
Apr 30, 2008 02:24 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Steven,

What you didn't mention was the fact that as our heating system become more efficient this problem becomes more prevalent. That those products of combustion are cooler leaving the appliance now than in the past. A solution, as you mentioned, is lining the chimney. Or direct vented appliances.

I wrote a piece on this subject a while back. The photo in the blog is a great example of condensing flue gases due the problems you described. Nice explanation.

May 01, 2008 12:40 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector
Thanks for the link James. Sometimes it can be hard to convince people this is a problem at all so the more they see explaining that, the better. Up until a few years ago the municipal codes people had no problem with it so they think this is just some new fandangled over regulation by inspectors, government.
May 01, 2008 01:10 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Steven,

Your welcome, glad to contribute.

The problem also to some degree, in my expierence, is with some heating installers. They are either unaware of flue sizing or just do not care to consider it as part of the installation process.

May 01, 2008 01:21 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

James,

Around here HVAC folks all know the rules and install properly at new houses. But, if the house has already had a furnace or water heater going into a masonry chimney they will go ahead and stick the new one in there too, where the old came from...no worries.

May 01, 2008 01:24 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Steven,

That is what I meant. Installs in older homes with masonry chimneys. The new stuff is usually vented into stainless steel or direct vented. No problems.

May 01, 2008 01:31 AM
David Helm
Helm Home Inspections - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham, Wa. Licensed Home Insp
Another good post Steve.  James, with the high efficiency furnaces (condensing type) condensation is part of the process. . . and they don't use old chimneys.  They get their own PVC plastic exhaust tubes.
May 01, 2008 05:26 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

David,

I understand completely about high efficiency condensing heating units. These are direct vented to the exterior as I mentioned. There are plenty of high efficiency types of heating systems that still use the chimney for venting. For example an 85% efficient oil boiler, which is an energy star rated appliance, most often uses a chimny to vent. Same with a comparable gas unit.

May 01, 2008 06:03 AM
David Helm
Helm Home Inspections - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham, Wa. Licensed Home Insp
James, I know you knew.  The reason I mentioned it is because there are a lot of non inspector types reading this stuff.  By the way, interesting about the oil boiler.  Those things just don't exist out here.
May 01, 2008 06:10 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

David,

Your fortunate that your fuel source is gas. Heating oil prices here have doubled over the winter and are now around $4.00 per gallon. Even at 85% efficiency it still cost alot of money to heat a home.

May 01, 2008 06:16 AM