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Vista issues and downgrades

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Real Estate Agent with Coldwell Banker

I've been using Vista since its beta days. There were numerous incompatibilities when it first launched.  Over time, many of these issues have disappeared. If someone is moving to Vista they should also make sure that they are using the latest version of any other software. Most software companies, that still exist, have released updated versions that run on Vista.

Many users do not know that Microsoft has a downgrade option that allows you to use XP without buying a license for it, if you own Vista.

Specifically, these downgrade rights lets owners of some versions of Vista replace it with Windows XP without having to pay for another license. In effect, the license for Vista is transferred to XP. Think of it as a swap, Vista for XP, not as an extra license. By Microsoft's end-user licensing agreement (EULA), you can't have both the Vista and its downgraded XP installed at the same time on the same or different machines. You have to pick: It's one or the other.

What is a downgrade? To Microsoft, "downgrade" describes the licensing rights it grants to older operating systems. Downgrade doesn't mean the process for rolling back Windows from Vista to XP, since there isn't such a procedure, not in the generally accepted use of "upgrade." In an older-to-newer move, developers usually make it possible to retain all the digital detritus on the drive, from already-installed applications and Word documents to iTunes tracks and family photos, while updating the system files. Not so in a downgrade.

So, what downgrades does Microsoft allow? Owners of the OEM editions of Vista Business and Vista Ultimate can downgrade to Windows XP Professional, including Tablet PC Edition and x64 Edition. Only the OEM editions qualify for a downgrade, so if you purchased a new PC with either Business or Ultimate preinstalled, you're in like Flynn.

How do I downgrade? Install a copy of Windows XP Professional with the product key that came with the copy, and then when you hit the activation screen -- which is near the end of the installation process -- select the activate by phone option rather than the online method. You'll likely end up talking with a live rep; tell him that you're downgrading from Vista to XP, and give him the Vista product key. The rep is supposed to walk you through the rest.

You can find out more at: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9040318.

The issue with compatibility is not always Microsoft's fault. Many times the issues lie with the software developer that wrote the 3rd party application. Programmers will often take steps around the preferred Microsoft way to get their application to run faster or to decrease development time. With newer upgrades to Windows these workarounds no longer function.

I just read a story on this a couple of days ago:

Microsoft Corp. CEO Steve Ballmer offered a glimmer of hope on Thursday to fans of the company's Windows XP operating system, saying the company may reconsider its decision to stop selling it soon.

But Ballmer was adamant that most people who buy PCs today buy them with XP's successor, Vista.

"That's the statistical truth," he told reporters at a news conference at Louvain-La-Neuve University. "If customer feedback varies, we can always wake up smarter."

Fans of XP - the 6-year-old operating system set to be pulled off store shelves by June 30 - have plastered the Internet with blog posts, cartoons and petitions. They trumpet its superiority to Vista, whose consumer launch in January was greeted with lukewarm reviews.

Ballmer said the customers buying PCs with XP are corporate information technology departments that are having trouble shifting old machines to newer technology.

 

 

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Marchel Peterson
Results Realty - Spring, TX
Spring TX Real Estate E-Pro
Geoff, Good information!!  Since I have Vista home it appears that I'm staying with Vista.  I am finding the more I use it the more I like it.  It is just totally different than XP so takes some getting use to and some learning; which is why I formed this group.
May 01, 2008 12:12 PM
Selling Homes in Western New York, Licensed Real Estate Broker, Terri Kern
Turning Key Realty - East Amherst, NY
Terri Kern, Broker, Turning Key Realty
I have XP Pro on one PC and one laptop, Vista on the laptop I am using, and my favorite is the new IMac I bought last August. 
May 01, 2008 02:45 PM
Keith Perry
Coldwell Banker - Hiram, GA
REALTOR - West Metro Atlanta
Hi Geoff, I have Vista on my own pc at work and have no problems at all. XP at home, both work together fine. 
May 08, 2008 02:18 PM
Chuck Willman
Chuck Willman - Alpine, UT
NewHouseUtah.com
Geoff- I didn't know about the "downgrade" options. Though I doubt I'd go back there are times I wish I could... I have some problems that I know I could tweak in XP ... oh well, one day I'll have it figured out... just in time for the next operating system. :-)
May 08, 2008 05:48 PM
Anna Boyd
Re/Max Gold - El Dorado Hills, CA
CDPE, El Dorado Sacramento

I detest Vista.  Have been computer user for 20 years.  Have Vista preinstalled on new computer for last 18 months.   My programs are starting to crash with more frequency.  My older programs run in crippled fashion-if at all.

I am actively seeking to wipe out hard drive and have only XP.  If I want XP without wiping hard drive, Vista will remain on computer even if I'm not using it. 

Jul 26, 2008 12:23 AM
Gene Allen
Fathom Realty - Cary, NC
Realty Consultant for Cary Real Estate

My computer is finally dying and Vista looks to be coming.  I thought about a Mac but they have problems also.

Jul 28, 2008 01:29 PM
Marchel Peterson
Results Realty - Spring, TX
Spring TX Real Estate E-Pro

Deborah, C/Net has some good tips and tricks.  They use to have a tutorial but put it all in there tips and tricks.  I subscribe to their tips and tricks and get some useful information but you can also browse from the link above.

Aug 18, 2008 03:04 PM
Team Honeycutt
Allen Tate - Concord, NC

Thanks, Cnet is where I am going to head as well!

Aug 19, 2008 06:49 AM
Anna Boyd
Re/Max Gold - El Dorado Hills, CA
CDPE, El Dorado Sacramento

Vista and Administrative rights nightmare.  Bought a Blackberry.  Can not load the desktop manager on to my Vista desktop machine, but no problem loading it to my Laptop.  Both machines have me with Administrator rights, but the DM won't install.  I get a 1904 error that various Blackberry files can't be registered.  When I go in to regedit to see what's up, I can't even click on a RIM key to see what the values are - it tells me I don't have authorized access.

So, I'm taking my Blackberry back as I can't even sink and the internet is littered with people with the same problems, yet Blackberry and Microsoft haven't come up with a final conclusion.

And don't get me started on wireless networking with Vista.

And in the meantime, I try to sell real estate.....

Aug 26, 2008 12:49 AM
Anna Boyd
Re/Max Gold - El Dorado Hills, CA
CDPE, El Dorado Sacramento

Did I type "sink"?  I meant "sync".

Aug 26, 2008 12:50 AM
Anna Boyd
Re/Max Gold - El Dorado Hills, CA
CDPE, El Dorado Sacramento

I'm ordering a full Windows XP disk and wiping my hard drive.  Interestingly, you can't uninstall vista.  If you don't start from scratch, Vista stays "hidden" side by side with Windows XP.  Thanks but no thanks.  I don't mind too too much about having to start fresh since I've had to do basically the same thing at least twice with Vista to try and get rid of programs that wouldn't go away.

There is a fix for Blackberry that works some of the time for Vista people.  It's intensive, but just follow every instruction.  This is the link:

http://forums.crackberry.com/f2/how-fix-desktop-manager-error-1904-a-54700/

It's from the Blackberry Forums.  Finally got it to install, but then first time I tried to Sync Outlook I got an error, and from then on, all buttons are grayed out.  So I have given up.  Going back to my trusty Palm (will upgrade from my Palm Treo 650 which served me well for 2 years).

 

Sep 01, 2008 03:04 AM
Eleanor Thorne
Equity Resources - Cary, NC
Advantage Lending 919-649-5058

I love AR.  I mean LOVE, LOVE, LOVE AR!  I was in the middle of swearing at my mother-in-laws new computer because I don't use Vista - and couldn't help her without wasting hours!  And here's my ANSWER!  Thank you!

Jun 25, 2009 03:13 AM