Are You Being Watched?

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Managing Real Estate Broker with Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 TN Broker: 208698

Security and surveillance systems are very prevalent and used during the home selling process. Home buyers need to be aware that their conversations and actions may be recorded and be on their best behavior.

The debate on whether this is the right thing to do or not continues. I stand on the position that within their own home a seller can do what he wants. I know I have seen it often and wonder how many times I didn't know it was going on.

Original content by Cody Carmen

Sellers marketing their homes are often concerned about what goes on inside their house when they’re not there. This has led many of these sellers to install surveillance equipment in their home for sale. Maybe the seller has a security concern: who is coming into my home and what are they doing? Are they stealing? Or maybe their interests are purely professional. What are potential buyers saying about my new floors? Is my agent working hard for me? Regardless of the motive, this is something real estate professionals must be aware of, particularly when the seller is not present.

These days it’s easy for a homeowner to keep their home under surveillance and find out what’s happening in their absence.  From openly visible security cameras to so-called “nanny cams” (hidden cameras designed to innocuously keep an eye on caretakers that are often adopted for other purposes), there are plenty of ways to keep watch.

You may be asking, is this legal? The answer is yes, for video recording - more on audio recordings in a moment.  Unless a person being recorded is somewhere they can reasonably expect privacy (e.g. a bathroom, changing room, etc.), video surveillance is legal. Considering a real estate agent is inside of someone else’s home, it is unlikely that court proceedings would determine that they could have reasonably expected privacy in the event they are recorded.

If you are listing agent and see cameras, you need to get on the same page as the seller if at all possible. Ask if the cameras are on when you are showing the home and what the purpose is. You will probably be asked about the cameras by potential buyers and agents and you should be prepared to answer that question.

It’s also possible that you may not know about the presence of cameras in your listings, particularly if they are hidden. If you feel comfortable asking the question, you could simply ask your seller if any recording equipment is in the property.  These days, it’s probably safest to assume that cameras do exist inside the home.  While this should not affect what you do on the property (as you should already have been following all legal and ethical requirements that coincide with holding a real estate license), a mindful outlook on the situation may prevent professional issues with your clients--you know the value of staying on the same page.

Audio recordings are another legal issue. Depending on the state it is illegal to record a conversation without the consent of all recorded parties. In California, the legal standard is that “confidential communication” cannot be recorded without two-party consent. “Confidential communication” is defined as any communication in circumstances as may “reasonably indicate that any party to the communication desires it to be confined to the parties thereto”, as long as the communication is not made in a “public gathering”, “in any legislative, judicial, executive or administrative proceeding open to the public”, or “in any other circumstance in which the parties to the communication may reasonably expect that the communication may be overheard or recorded”. This leaves a significant loophole. How do you define a reasonable expectation to be overheard?

According to the law offices of Stimmel, Stimmel, & Smith, answering this question will be left to the proceedings of each trial (and thus either the jury or judges). It is quite possible that a recording in someone’s home would not be considered a violation of privacy because the recorded persons are on someone else’s property, but there is not a guarantee. Real estate agents are invited into a home for business purposes and conversations are part of that standard business practice. It is entirely possible that a judge and jury would rule that privacy should not be expected.

Does all of this sound paranoid? Consider a handful of cases where that surveillance revealed some unpleasant facts.  In 2013 an agent was caught stealing underwear from his female client. In 2014 two real estate agents were caught having sex on secret cameras in the home one of them was listing. And just last year a real estate agent was caught stealing prescription pain medication from a house she was showing. Obviously these happenings are rare, but it does prove that some homeowners had good reason to be suspicious.

So for our students preparing for the California real estate exam, know that obtaining a license is not an endorsement of character. Some sellers will be skeptical or nervous about the prospect of letting strangers into their home and real estate professionals should be prepared for how those clients try to protect themselves.


What do you think about this practice? Do you have any experience with surveillance equipment like hidden cameras in properties you've listed? Is this something agents should bring up with their clients?

 

Cody Carmen

Adhi Schools, LLC

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Comments (20)

Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

Debbie Reynolds  awesome re blog - extremely interesting 

Aug 25, 2016 10:22 AM
Lisa Von Domek
Lisa Von Domek Team - Dallas, TX
....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless!

Great choice for a reblog Debbie Reynolds ...you just never know who is watching or listening in!

Aug 25, 2016 11:37 AM
Larry Johnston
Broker, Friends & Neighbors Real Estate and Elkhart County Subdivisions, LLC - Elkhart, IN
Broker,Friends & Neighbors Real Estate, Elkhart,IN

Hi Debbie Reynolds ,  Good choice for a reblog.  Security evesdropping is a hot subject when it comes to Real Estate. I  personally I don't have a problem with it.  It's those who are guilty or suspect that have the problem.

Aug 25, 2016 12:35 PM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

I really like it too Hannah Williams.

Aug 25, 2016 12:54 PM
Rob D. Shepherd
Windermere/lane county - Florence, OR
Principal Broker GRI, SRES

When I know I am on camera, I like to give them a show! 

Aug 25, 2016 01:00 PM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

This trend is becoming more and more common, Lisa Von Domek.

Aug 25, 2016 01:05 PM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

Larry Johnston we agents know that this is a possibility on every showing and need to be professional and tell our clients to watch what they do and say.

Aug 25, 2016 01:06 PM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

I bet you do Rob D. Shepherd. Do you smile really big?

Aug 25, 2016 01:07 PM
Mark Don McInnes, Sandpoint
Sandpoint Realty LLC - Sandpoint, ID
North Idaho Real Estate - 208-255.6227

This day and age of cameras in every phone I do my best to be on best behavior. Camera in a home almost expected.  mark

Aug 25, 2016 01:51 PM
Anna Banana Kruchten CRS, CRB, Phoenix Broker
HomeSmart Real Estate BR030809000 - Phoenix, AZ
602-380-4886

Yes this is happening more often now than ever.  Just the other day I found a cleverly disguised camera. I will never forget to educate buyers about this issue.  It can, will and has changed the negotiation game in real estate for sellers and buyers.

Aug 25, 2016 02:03 PM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Hi Debbie.  Great choice for a re-blog.  I counsel all of my customers to watch their words in homes as I assume we are being watched and recorded.

Aug 25, 2016 08:55 PM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Thank you for reblogging the post. I hope others will read it too.

Aug 25, 2016 09:24 PM
Kristin Johnston - REALTOR®
RE/MAX Realty Center - Waukesha, WI
Giving Back With Each Home Sold!

We should always be aware that we might be being watched, so be professional!

Aug 26, 2016 12:11 AM
Suzanne Strickler
Realty Mark Associates - Havertown, PA
School is never out for the Successful.

Sellers should be able to video and audio tape strangers in their house. It may have helped that agent in Missouri (?) who was killed in an her listing.

Aug 26, 2016 01:03 AM
Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

This is an important topic and an excellent selection for a reblog.

Aug 26, 2016 02:06 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Debbie - We always assume we can be recorded when we're looking at homes, so we save the good stuff for once we're back in the car.

Aug 26, 2016 04:57 AM
Pat Starnes-Front Gate Realty
Front Gate Real Estate - Brandon, MS
601-991-2900 Office; 601-278-4513 Cell

It's an interesting topic. As a Realtor, I wouldn't want any of my confidential discussions with a prospective buyer to be overheard. Sure, I've seen those HGTV shows where they use the feedback for the seller to make improvements, but I do not like the privacy issues. It's a good reminder to tell our clients to be on their best behavior. Thanks for sharing!

Aug 26, 2016 05:16 AM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

Thank you so much for stopping by and leaving your remarks. Appreciated.

Aug 31, 2016 02:17 PM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

Be sure to stop by Cody Carmen and follow him.

Aug 31, 2016 02:28 PM
Cody Carmen
Adhi Schools, LLC - Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Market Analysis--Educational Content, Adhi Schools

Debbie Reynolds thank you so much for the re-blog! I think this is an important issue and I'm very happy to see that so many people here on AR were already thinking about it or were quick to adapt to it!

Sep 02, 2016 01:28 AM

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