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In need of help with a short sale.

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Real Estate Agent with Re/Max Real Estate Partners Inc.
So here goes my very first blog. I am the listing agent on a property that we are selling in a short sale. The home was purchased with a first and second, with the second being an ARM. After my first offer backed out due the length of time for a response I finally received an all cash offer, which the first mortgage countered once and the buyer agreed. With all of the sellers’ fees and commissions they were about $12,000.00 short of a payoff. The first mortgage company in their acceptance has agreed to pay $1,000.00 to the second. So now I am dealing with the second mortgage, which has been sold twice now since the purchase of the home. I go to the second with the offer of $1,000.00, and they come back stating that they are owed $24,000.00, but will take a payoff of $12,000.00. They must be paid at or before the closing as they will not pursue the seller personally. I was able to get $1,500.00 more for the first and $700.00 from the seller, so now we are at $3,200.00 for the second. They have still not budged off the $12,000.00. My seller has no assets and does not have any money, and I cannot get any more from the first mortgage. I have tried to explain that the home is selling for top dollar, as the purchaser is a developer who needs the property as a rental to move a person who is impeding his progress on a development. So why would they not take the offer and possibly still pursue her personally? If it goes to sheriffs sale and they are able to purchase it they will be paying considerably more than the offer we have now. If the short sale does not work out my seller wants to pursue letting the home go to foreclosure and them filing bankruptcy? Does any one have any suggestions on how to negotiate with a stubborn mortgage company? Is there any legal reason why they would not accept what is offered?
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Arthur Mondejar
Holly House Realty, PL - Miami, FL
It happens all the time... Depends on who you speak with.  Try your best to speak with the top lending officials and not just the loan processors.  They don't care and will not help you.
May 06, 2008 03:11 PM
Bill Exeter
Exeter 1031 Exchange Services, LLC - San Diego, CA
1031 Tax-Deferred Exchange Expert

Hi James,

Welcome to ACTIVE RAIN.  You are going to love this site.  Anway, there are a couple of service providers on this site that assist Realtors with the processing of their short sales, etc.  You should search for short sales and see what pops up.

May 06, 2008 04:13 PM
Bo Buchanan
Kettley Realtors - Oswego, IL

Sounds like you have already gotten them (the lender in 2nd position) well above the norm.  Problem is - nothing can be done without their approval.  As Arthur said - you may need to escalate to someone higher up in the food chain.

May 06, 2008 04:35 PM
Barbara Rissmiller
Tucson, AZ

Looks like you are dealing with purchase money. Possibly the second is a HELOC?  Seconds don't normally adjust unless they are a HELOC. So I am assuming that is what it is.   Short Sales in California with seconds much less a HELOC are very difficult to close; that second will keep you chasing your tail. There are strict laws when it comes to purchase money.  This is the first thing you want to find out.  Is the second purchase money?   If so, the seller is pretty much out of luck.  They will be 1099'd and negotiating down to the 1k you are seeking will be a battle.  Even if they were 1099 in the end - two options, claim insolvency or bankruptcy.  9x's out of 10 the homeowner does the BK. 

 Not sure how much of a discount you received so it may not make sense on this deal but one thing I have done is asked the buyer to pay this additional money.  Fortunately mine did.  And it did have to be cash at closing.   It was 10k.  I would attempt to resend your package to the second lender, financials etc and explain the lack of assets and find out what the buyer might pay in addition to the original offer and offer that to the lender as well in the letter.   This may help.  Also as I indciated previously, find out if the second is purchase money.   A lesson learned for the next client that comes along : )   Good luck

May 07, 2008 04:21 AM
James "Trip" Oubre
Re/Max Real Estate Partners Inc. - Covington, LA

Arthur - Thank you for the post, I am in the process of trying to speak with someone in a higher position

Bill - Thank you.  I have thought about using a service like that and mabe after this one I will.

Bo - From what I gather here on AR I am doing better than the norm for them, I just don't understand.

Barbara - From what I can gather the second is a purchase money and is also an ARM, but I am checking on that, thank you for the information.

May 07, 2008 07:47 AM
Gene Allen
Fathom Realty - Cary, NC
Realty Consultant for Cary Real Estate
I haven't done a short sale yet and all the bad press makes me wish I don't have to.
May 07, 2008 09:38 AM
Sidney Jimenez
Keller Williams - Miramar, FL
CDPE, Short Sale Expert, 954-665-9449,

JAMES- You have a couple of problems with the first being the cash offer. Usually the lender is counting on being able to squeeze out more money when there's a cash offer because they figure to put more pressure on the parties involved. If they don't close they are losing $1,000 being that's what they usually get.

The second challenge is the frustration by your sellers. They should know that they will suffer a much harsher outcome if they decide to give up and foreclose. First of all, if they let the foreclosure run it's course they will leave themselves open to a deficiency judgment, for the difference of the sold price and the amount they owe, by the lenders involved. A foreclosure doesn't necessarily negate the debt. Some states even allow for the wages to be garnished until the debt is payed.

It is in the sellers best, long term, interest to try and get the second debt holder to accept something close to what they are seeking.

If there's no way to do that then you have to some how show that they second debt holder will lose more if there's a foreclosure that just taking the deal. Hopefully there are other properties that have sold for less.

May 08, 2008 02:37 PM
Michael Wayne Jackson
Coldwell Banker - Novato, CA
Broker - Seniors Real Estate Specialist Novato

Who is the lender for the second? It is possible they have PMI on the loan and they will get more money from the insurance.

May 10, 2008 07:10 AM