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What Did the Seller Pay for the Home?

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Real Estate Agent with Long and Foster Real Estate VA License # 0225089470

What Did the Seller Pay for the Home?

Who knows why buyers think this question is relevant, but it seems to come up with somewhat regular frequency when a buyer wants to write an offer on a home.

"How much did the seller pay for it?"

Sometimes I just answer the question.  Sometimes I ask them why they want to know.  It's amazing to me, but some buyers put themselves in the position of being the profit police and determining, in their own mind, how much is reasonable for a seller to profit.  This is especially true when a seller has owned the property a short time, like investors who flip properties.  Buyers seem to want to determine the cost of the work done and then make an offer allowing a modest profit.

Here's the problem with that line of thought.  Just because a buyer has determined a low offering price based on what they feel is a reasonable profit, doesn't mean that the market value for the home isn't really there.  Go ahead and make a lowball offer.  If it isn't rejected, you'll get a counter.  Don't want the seller to make that much money, well, I guess you are going to be looking for another home.

Make those same buyers sellers themselves and the price they paid to re-carpet, paint or do any other improvements is irrelevant when they get offers from buyers of a similar mindset.  "What I paid for the house and the cost of improvements doesn't matter.  My neighbor's house sold for X and I expect to get X or a little more."

A house is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay.  That is true.  However, buyers need to understand that in the Northern Virginia marketplace, which includes Fairfax, Prince William and Loudoun Counties, there are plenty of buyers that are willing to pay market value.  Keep that in mind. 

What a buyer should be asking their agent when they are ready to make an offer is to for the recent sales of comparable homes in the area.  Only then can you determine what we call "market value" and make an offer that may have a chance of being accepted.  If you offer price method involves figuring out what the seller paid and giving them what you feel they deserve to earn in that amount of time, you are likely to miss a lot of great homes.

 

Comments(14)

Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

Too may buyers feel the sellers basis for the home is relevant.  No place in that figure is the reality of what the house looked like at the time the bought it nor how many and to what extent the seller improved the property. Market value determines a fair price

Jan 11, 2017 03:58 PM
Chris Ann Cleland

Ed Silva --You are absolutely correct.

Jan 12, 2017 10:14 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Chris Ann

I really liked this discussion - it IS a question that comes up often and I always wonder why buyers might think it's relevant, especially when the purchase was years ago.

Jeff

Jan 11, 2017 04:11 PM
Chris Ann Cleland

Jeff Dowler --The question and answer are meaningless to current market value.

Jan 12, 2017 10:15 AM
Sybil Campbell
Fernandina Beach, FL
Referral Agent Amelia Island Florida

Chris Ann, I found myself wondering recently why buyers ask this question so often.

Jan 11, 2017 04:29 PM
Chris Ann Cleland

Sybil Campbell --It is odd, but it is almost as if they can be offended at how much a seller makes.  It is silly.

Jan 12, 2017 10:15 AM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

Hi Chris Ann Cleland,

Isn't it amazing how many buyers ask "What did the seller pay for the home?" Does it matter..is it relevant?? What are the comparable sold properties is the question that needs to be answered!!

Jan 11, 2017 04:33 PM
Chris Ann Cleland

Dorie Dillard --The only figure that may come in to play is the mortgage pay off if it is higher than the sales price of the home.  That creates an entirely different sale as a Short Sale.

Jan 12, 2017 10:16 AM
Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
South Puget Sound Washington Agent/Broker!

 I've seen this line of questioning tend to lose buyers several homes. I feel strongly that if the market and the appraisers think the home is worth that much; it's worth that much Chris Ann Cleland 

Jan 11, 2017 05:25 PM
Chris Ann Cleland

Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, Broker, Tacoma Washington --Buyers stuck in this line of questioning usually do lose a few homes before they really hear what we are trying to tell them about market value.

Jan 12, 2017 10:17 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Chris Ann - You're right, but convincing buyers that it really doesn't matter is sometimes really hard - just one of many issues that can hang up a deal.

Jan 11, 2017 06:27 PM
Chris Ann Cleland

Dick Greenberg --You are right.  It is not like buyers are going to stop asking.  It is the motivation for asking that drives me nuts.  

Jan 12, 2017 10:17 AM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

I hae a buyer right now that wants to use what the buyer paid for the home against them.

I told them that is not the way things work.

Jan 11, 2017 08:07 PM
Chris Ann Cleland

William Feela --Wait until that buyer is selling a property.  They won't want to hear that buyer argument.

Jan 12, 2017 10:18 AM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Chris, it is a buyer's right to ask but they need to understand that a house sells for what the market says it is worth...doesn't matter what profit or loss the seller gets (unless a short sale)...yet, it is constantly asked & the buyers do their own research now and always tell me!  They are not the profit police and should not be...great post!

Jan 12, 2017 04:30 AM
Chris Ann Cleland

Ginny Gorman --It really does gall some folks that others make money and I will never, for the life of me, understand.

Jan 12, 2017 10:19 AM
Dianne Goode
Raleigh Cary Realty - Raleigh, NC
Realtor/Broker

Hi Chris.  I have decided that it's just human nature.  Buyers want to know how much the seller is making on the sale, and sellers meanwhile want to sell for the cost of the house plus cost of improvements plus what they need for the new house.  None of that is relevant, of course.   

Jan 12, 2017 06:53 AM
Chris Ann Cleland

Dianne Goode --The sellers wanting cost of improvements is the other side of the coin.  I just don't ever remember thinking about this when I bought my first home. 

Jan 12, 2017 10:21 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

I'm with Dianne Goode in that it is simply human nature to wonder. When I met with my tenants last month in Hawaii, the previous sellers of my home, how much they paid for the house 4 years ago compared to how much I paid for it did bug me a little. I wished I had been them, and bought it 4 years ago instead of a year ago, and the thought that I put $XXXXXX into their pockets well, that's money I could have spent on something else. Even though this line of rationale makes no sense whatsoever, we still ponder useless stuff like this, the only ifs, I call it.

Jan 12, 2017 01:28 PM
Chris Ann Cleland

Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Real Estate Agent, Top 1% of Lyon Agents --I remember having regrets for not holding onto my first place longer when I found out what their value was a few years after I sold.  Never begrudged anyone making a profit on something.  It is what it is.  

Jan 12, 2017 07:38 PM
Susan Haughton
Long and Foster REALTORS (703) 470-4545 - Alexandria, VA
Susan & Mindy Team...Honesty. Integrity. Results.

This question drives me nuts, but as others have said, it must be human nature to ask, although it's certainly not in my nature to ask because it's irrelevant and I don't care if the seller is making a million dollars.  None of my business and good for them in making a profit. 

Jan 13, 2017 06:49 AM
Chris Ann Cleland

Susan Haughton --Think you and I are of the same nature.

Jan 13, 2017 01:00 PM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Hi Chris Ann -- yes, I have also heard this question countless times.  With the information readily available many buyers already know the answer but I often think I can see the wheels turning in their mind...

As you have stated, put the shoe on the other foot and you'll see a different perspective on the price paid, cost of improvements(or lack thereof) and that all-so-important timing factor all come into play.  

Jan 13, 2017 07:12 AM
Chris Ann Cleland

Michael Jacobs --The shoe on the other foot sometimes doesn't take the desire to stick it to the seller away sometimes.

Jan 13, 2017 01:01 PM
Curtis Van Carter
Better Homes & Gardens Wine Country Group - Yountville, CA
Your Napa Valley Broker Extraordinaire

Chris Ann

Your logic is spot on but as we all know, it don't work that way. The buyer has their own way of rationalizing the asking price and even though they are oft wrong, it is hard to get this out of their mind. Patience is such a virtue in our business, something you have a great deal of. cheers cvc

Jan 13, 2017 07:29 AM
Chris Ann Cleland

Curtis Van Carter --Buyer rationalizations are often misguided.  All we can do is point them in the right direction.

Jan 13, 2017 01:02 PM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

I just had this happen yesterday and the buyer lost out making a half price offer. I will be writing about it Thursday. Such a great lesson to teach Chris Ann Cleland 

Jan 18, 2017 03:18 PM
Chris Ann Cleland

Scott Godzyk --The profit police lost out again.  

Jan 19, 2017 11:15 AM