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Pressure-Treated Wood Can Rot!

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

Pressure-treated wood can rot!

People think their pressure-treated wood decks will never rot.

Another urban legend  rears its ugly head.

The first pressure-treated wood was invented by Dr. Karl Wolman in the early 20th century.  He developed a water-based process to infuse salts into the wood that would displace the sap and thereby preserve it.  And he tweaked his formulas and techniques for decades.

From that start his chemical process went to a CCA liquid - Chromated Copper Arsenate - which was a mixture of copper sulfate and arsenate chromate dissolved in water.   Similar chemical mixes were used for decades.  In the United States the arsenate (a form of arsenic) was removed from pressure-treated wood formulas in 2004.

This deck was built in the late 80s.  It probably used a CCA then.  However, there are different uses and grades of pressure-treated woods.  For example, stamps can be seen which say things like UC4A (Ground Contact, General Use) and UC4B (Ground Contact, Heavy Use).  While it's unknown what grade wood was used for this deck, it could very well be that the common parlance of the era, at hardware stores and used by contractors, was that the wood would last forever.

Of course, that isn't true.  This post is rotting and/or damaged by termites.  It is compromised.  The rest of the deck columns were compromised as well, with severe splits, cracks, huge splinters and warping.  It is basically unsafe.  Walking out onto the very damaged deck, it could truthfully be said that it isn't "rotting!"

My recommendations:   due to urban legends people sometimes accuse home inspectors of making things up.  This homeowner was upset that I had made something up just to put it on the inspection report!  We don't make things up on home inspection reports!  The house is the house, the condition is the condition, and those things are observed and reported by the inspector.  And it might be worth a smidge of an attempt at trying to understand the report and actually LOOKING at the photos therein to see what the home inspector is saying!  Anything less than basic understanding a home inspection report prior to accusing anyone about it is lazy and counterproductive.  Oh, and remember this news flash:  Wood decks don't last forever.  Pressure-treated wood can rot!

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


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Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Retired Home Stager/Redesign

Jay- Many people might assume that pressure treated wood meant "forever" wood.  But you've shown that is not the case.  Wood + moisture left untreated is never a good thing. 

Apr 29, 2017 01:18 PM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Retired Home Stager/Redesign

                  

                                       Thanks Jay Markanich 

Apr 29, 2017 05:47 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

The wood is "treated" in the factory, Kathy, but does not last forever.  And I don't know the quality of the wood initially put there, but it was one of those decks from "kits" companies, so I suspect it was a lesser grade.

Thanks for the Ah-ha!  Glad it was one!

Apr 30, 2017 02:24 AM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

Good morning Jay Markanich ,

I'm so glad Kathy Streib featured you in her "Ah-ha" moments for the week. This is a topic that is so important as many sellers are talked in to buying pressure treated wood and are sold a bill of goods that it will never rot. Not the case! Great information in your post..thank you!

Apr 30, 2017 06:11 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Dorie - pressure-treated wood comes in good, better and best grades.  Get the best.

Apr 30, 2017 06:55 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Hi Jay

I always enjoy learning from you. While I knew pressure treated wood can rot - having seen it a bunch of times myself - I certainly learned a bit about the process here. We are seeing more and more trex decking (and similar) in our area. Not only is there plenty of moisture being near the ocean but termites abound. I believe it is just moisture/rot resistant, not "proof."

Jeff

Apr 30, 2017 07:38 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

At the risk of crushing another urban legend, Jeff, I had this post on Trex decking that was rotting.  A Trex rep even contacted me wanting to know the address, telling me I must be mistaken.  Well, gee, I wasn't...

http://activerain.com/blogsview/5028779/can-composite-decking-rot-

Apr 30, 2017 07:42 AM
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

Nice lesson here. I never understood the pressure treating process...nothing lasts forever.

Apr 30, 2017 08:02 AM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Oh Jay...I am back at school again today...never knew this one!  thank you!

Apr 30, 2017 09:23 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It's been around a long time, Gary, and they are getting better and better.

Ginny - I'm in school every day!  At 89 Michelangelo said, "I am still learning."  Along with not a bad resume.

Apr 30, 2017 12:42 PM
Sharon Tara
Sharon Tara Transformations - Portsmouth, NH
Retired New Hampshire Home Stager

I would have had no idea and probably would think it would not rot. I appreciate the information!

Apr 30, 2017 02:47 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks, Sharon!  Glad the post was informative.

Stop by any time.  I'm here most days!

Apr 30, 2017 02:50 PM
Grant Schneider
Performance Development Strategies - Armonk, NY
Your Coach Helping You Create Successful Outcomes

Hi Jay - yes they do. My house was built in 1988. It appears to be in great condition. However, evey other year I have power washed it and then applied Thompson Wood Protectorate. I have never applied any paint.

Apr 30, 2017 03:00 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Protected wood, with sealant, stain or paint, will last, Grant.  And that is home maintenance!

Apr 30, 2017 06:43 PM
Walt Fish
Bay Area Home Inspection, LLC - Marquette, MI
Upper Michigan's Most Experienced Home Inspector

Good Post Jay. I live on the Keweenaw peninsula of upper Michigan where most of the copper prior to 1960 came from. There's a place a few miles from me that manufactures the copper arsinic  products used in much of today's pressure treated lumber. Like you, I do see treated posts rot through if in contact with enough moisture. I also see treated decks dry out and weather over time. Heck, I even see decking such as Trex rot of not properly spaced. 

May 02, 2017 05:23 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Walt - yeah, rot happens!  I have seen the bumper stickers.  And I actually suggest various UV resistant decking protectants to my clients on my inspection reports.

And I had a post with rotting Trex decking just a couple of weeks ago.  After I posted it I was contacted by Trex wanting to know the address and to contact the seller!

May 02, 2017 05:56 PM
Kristin Johnston - REALTOR®
RE/MAX Platinum - Waukesha, WI
Giving Back With Each Home Sold!

I can see why Kathy chose to highlight your post this week...great job!

May 03, 2017 07:45 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Water here, wood there, and before you know it you have rot, Krinstin!

May 03, 2017 09:58 AM
Robin Wells
WellSwept Chimneys - Victoria Harbour, ON
Giving Peace Of Mind One Chimney At A Time

Some good points here.  And yes it can rot and decay.  But that primarly is due to the quality of the pressure treating.  I know some pressure treated telephone poles which were pulled, and put in place in the early 20th century (they used to call them "green salts".  They are as good as the day they were put in the ground.  Having said that the telephone poles would have cost more and been treated at likely much higher pressures to infuse the treatment deeper into the pores of the wood.  When pulled out some of these were reused as fence posts and in the ground still today.  They can rot today however .. to save costs many are not treated nearly as well as they could be.

Sep 16, 2018 03:38 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Robin.  The quality (or type) of pressure treament was mentioned in the post.  The pressure treatment in the early part of the last century was much different than today.  Alexander the Great dipped bridge wood in olive oil, and for years tar has been used as a wood preservative - like creosote telephone poles, and Noah's Ark (pitch inside and out).   The idea is to increase life spans!

Sep 16, 2018 04:00 AM