Free to Smoke in Your Own Home????? Maybe? Maybe Not???

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Services for Real Estate Pros with RE/MAX Kai Lani

Hawaii is having growing pains knowing how to manage the coercive power of government.  An organization known as the "Coalition for a Tobacco Free Hawaii" is working hard to get owners of apartments and condominiums to ban smoking inside privately owned living spaces.  The coalition claims that second-hand smoke impacts residents throughout the building even though they don't smoke.   Smokers are up in arms claiming the right to do as they wish behind the closed doors of their homes.   Many are holding their breath to see if this initiative migrates into the Hawaii State Legislature.   

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Rainmaker
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Kevin Robinson
Twin Falls, ID
Fractional Developer

Here we go again. The liberal minded among us want to control everything we do. Maybe I'll get kicked off active rain for saying that.

May 22, 2008 03:16 AM #11
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Jerry Bangerter
RE/MAX Kai Lani - Honolulu, HI

Wow, what great comments.  For those who have stopped somking, a hearty congratulations.   That takes some Character, Commitment and Dedication.  Jerry

May 22, 2008 04:57 AM #12
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Karen Parker
Parker Holdings of Tampa Bay, LLC - Brandon, FL

Kudos, Kevin. Its nauseating that others keep sticking their noses into everything in our lives from what we do in the restroom to what we do in the bedroom. For a country that was founded on freedom, we surely are losing a lot of them. And those same people whining about the smell of cigarette smoke don't mind one bit sitting in traffic breathing the carbon monoxide from car exhaust. Well driving your car is killing me. Get your butts out and walk!!

Jul 02, 2008 06:25 PM #13
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Mike Saunders
Lanier Partners - Athens, GA

Jerry - I am an ex smoker (18 years come October), however, I support smokers rights. More exactly, I am anti-government intrusion into individual rights.

I agree that apartment owners should be able to determine whether or not lessee's should be able to smoke inside. However, condo's are individually owned. Perhaps if when the condo was permitted their convenants could dictate no smoking.

Many states/municipalities are trying laws like this. There are even some who have proposed outlawing smoking in your own detached home if a neighbor complains.

If this, what next, seat belt laws? laws against certain acts between men & women? (Oh wait, we have those in many places already).

Jul 03, 2008 01:30 AM #14
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Simon Conway
Orlando Area Real Estate Services - Orlando, FL

I'm going to comment, but I just need to pop out and have a smoke. Really - I'll be right back.........

Jul 03, 2008 09:10 AM #15
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Susan McQuaide
Keller Williams - Simpsonville, SC

The thing about all these smoking bans which so many agree with because they personally do not like smoking, is that it's sets a precedence for the government to ban many other things. Just wait till something is banned that non-smokers enjoy.  If smoking is such a horrendous thing to do, just ban cigarettes!  Oh no, can't do that - look at all the tax revenues that would be lost........

Jul 03, 2008 09:40 AM #16
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Simon Conway
Orlando Area Real Estate Services - Orlando, FL

OK - there is a serious issue here. It's either legal or it isn't. If it's legal, then (no pun intended) butt out Government! If it's so bad, then ban it.

Jul 03, 2008 09:46 AM #17
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Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
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Smoking as I read:-)  I own my home (not a Condo, Townhouse, or the like) ... butt out big Gov!

As Mike Saunders pointed out, "On the other hand, I also am against most government anti-smoking regulations (the restaurant or bar or bingo owner should be able to decide on their own whether or not to allow smoking)." 

Well put, Mike.  I'd love to hear someone rationalize to me why the Government should be involved in such practices.  Wait ... I'm a guy who can compromise.  If Mr. & Mrs. Government feels they can tell those folks to not allow smoking in the very establishment they own and pay taxes on, then those folks should be forgiven of any Real Estate Taxes they pay in that area.  How about that, fair enough?

Smoking isn't good for a person, that's a blatant fact.  There's also a lot of other things not good for people ... we really need to get a grip and get back to personal responsibility. 

(filing lawsuit against big tobacco because I just coughed:-)

Jul 03, 2008 10:32 AM #18
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Cheri Smith
Prudential Gary Greene, Cypress TX - Cypress, TX
Realtor Prudential Gary Greene

It is not the governments job to dictate what we do in our own homes or cars EVEN if children are involved. Children are at the mercy of their parents in all aspects of their lives. It's still not the govmts business unless the child is being bloodied, beaten to the point of bruising or bones being broken.

I personally think it's bad for parents to let their kids play some video games, listen to some kinds of music, wear certain clothing, use certain language, stay at home alone under a certain age, watch inappropriate movies, eat foods that are bad for them all of the time, have sex, etc....but that doesn't make it any of MY business or the Govmt's business to police them.

That's the problem with this country. The govmt is sooooo busy dictating to us how to run our personal lives that they don't have time to work on budgets or laws or anything else they really should be doing.

They are micromanaging the citizens. It doesn't work. I even read that someone said we need population control because of food shortages?!? That was in US News and World Reports.

They won't be happy until this is a communist country.

Jason, enjoy your cigs, I'm on your side on this one!

Jul 03, 2008 11:20 AM #19
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Mike Saunders
Lanier Partners - Athens, GA

Jason - I support your right to smoke, but, quit that habit - you too Simon. I may be heavier but I smell soooo much better since I quit. And, my wife and I would never have gotten together if I still smoked. Even I can't stand to wear my clothes if I have had the occasional cigar (been almost 2 years since my last).

Jul 03, 2008 12:35 PM #20
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Jason Sardi
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Not going to argue with you there Mike, you are right.  Tell you what, my birthday is coming up and I owe myself a present.  I will try and quit, on that motive (32nd B-Day) alone.  Hold me to it ...   You are right on smoking, there's very little redeeming about that habit.

Smoking, I will never advocate.  Big Gov = Same Deal.  Don't get me started on politics:-)

 

Jul 03, 2008 01:05 PM #21
Rainmaker
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Mike Saunders
Lanier Partners - Athens, GA

Jason - sounds like we have a lot in common

Jul 03, 2008 01:11 PM #22
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Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic

Touchy issue. I prefer to not have anyone smoke in my home. I own a 2 family. They don't smoke either.

Jul 03, 2008 02:24 PM #23
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Mike Saunders
Lanier Partners - Athens, GA

Robert - I haven't had smoking in my home for 17 years. Private property owners should have the right to determine if smoking will or will not be allowed.

 

 

Jul 03, 2008 03:11 PM #24
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Jerry Bangerter
RE/MAX Kai Lani - Honolulu, HI

Wow, What a fantastic bunch of comments.  I ducked away for a minute because we had a property manager leave us and the number of accounts I manage went up by 40 new accounts and I have been having fun getting my arms around them.   Anyway, your comments have all been absolutely great.  I have to weigh in with the smokers even though I don't like being around someone who is smoking.   Everyone needs to be free to choose what they do in their own home, regardless.   Keep your thoughts coming.   They are fun to read.   Jerry

Jul 03, 2008 03:48 PM #25
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Robert Machado
HomePointe Property Management, CRMC - Sacramento, CA
CPM MPM - Property Manager and Property Management

As a landlord, we do not allow smoking inside our rental units.  The cleaning costs are too great.  I don't care if you want to smoke, just don't do it my rental.

Jul 03, 2008 07:44 PM #26
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Kevin Robinson
Twin Falls, ID
Fractional Developer

Here we go again. Big Daddy government has to tell us how to run our lives. Here is a simple idea: Why don't we choose if we want smoking in our  rental homes or in our businesses that WE own.

Jul 04, 2008 01:48 AM #27
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Respect Realty LLC
Respect Realty LLC - Milwaukie, OR
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I've never been a smoker and don't plan to be, but I don't think government should regulate things like this, this is some thing that if the residence want something like that, than let free enterprise and things like HOAs take care of themselves.

The government should be there to run the state, not our everyday lives.

Todd Clark, Helping Families Home - www.IFoundYourNewHome.com

Oct 05, 2008 05:35 PM #28
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Bill Schwent
Casa Tierra Realty - Santa Fe, NM
Santa Fe Broker

Jerry,

Thanks for introducing the subject.  I'd ask all of those repondents who object to "government" limiting the right to smoke to tell us why it is okay for that same "government" to outlaw marijuana.  Tobacco kills how-many of us each year and marijuana actually has some medicinal value for many of our citizens.  As the Chinese would say, we live in "interesting times."

Oct 05, 2008 05:59 PM #29
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Jerry Bangerter
RE/MAX Kai Lani - Honolulu, HI

Thank you, thank you -- one and all for some insightful comments.   It seems as though we keep allowing government to increasingly take care of the little things that used to be our personal responsibilities.   I was really concerned when they decided they would use coercion to be sure I wore my seat belt.   I have always worn seat-belts, but jeez, do they need to fine me if I put my life and limb on the line when I drive?   And, I have to agree with Bill about the marijuana issue.  I have never used marijuana in my life, but I don't give a hoot what others do unless it is going to impact my live, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.   I guess I am a Cato Libertarian at Heart.   Jerry

Oct 05, 2008 08:04 PM #30
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