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Wishy-Washy Inspection Report Writing

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Home Inspector with Charles Buell Inspections Inc.

Most of the time, in report writing, it is advisable to be as clear and to the point as possible.

leaking around toiletWhen reporting on issues discovered in the home, we want to describe what the issue is, what the consequences will be if nothing is done, and what repairs should be made and who should make the repairs.  Most of the time this is not difficult for an inspector, and the more experienced the inspector is, the number of times this is not the case goes down.

Sometimes however, it simply is not possible to “know” with any degree of certainty what is “actually” going on, or what the “actual” consequences will be.

An all too common example of this is moisture around toilets.  

How can the inspector determine this?  Well obviously if the area is visible from a crawl space and the floor is all wet, the written narrative is pretty easy and straightforward. But let’s say it is a second floor bathroom with no access under the toilet.  Now if the inspector checks around the toilet with a moisture mete, they notice what appears to be moisture under the floor covering, can the inspector categorically state there is moisture under the floor?

They certainly should not conclude there “is” moisture under the floor without other forms of confirmation.  Some types of floor coverings and/or lack of temperature differential will prevent even thermal imaging to be of use--or at least to a high level of confidence.

Moisture meters are vulnerable to “false positives” as well.  If salts are present around the toilet, this could confuse the moisture meter.  Houses with boys can often have this issue.  Cleaning the floor can often eliminate this variable.

I routinely hear of home inspectors stating something like:  “Moisture was noted around the toilet as indicated by moisture meter.  I recommend repairs by a licensed plumber.”  The plumber subsequently shows up and finds nothing wrong with the seal when the toilet is removed and no indication of moisture under the toilet.

There are two big problems with the inspector’s statement.  Just because the moisture meter says there is moisture does not mean there “is moisture,” and repairs may not be necessary.

So the inspector has a problem.

How do we communicate this finding to the client?  

All we can do is comment something like this:  “A moisture meter was used to check for moisture in the floor around the toilet and it indicated the possibility of moisture.  The only way to know for sure is to remove the toilet and check.  False positives are possible and common.  I recommend further evaluation by a licensed plumber and if any leaking is found I recommend that proper repairs be made as deemed necessary.  Damage discovered may also involve other parties that might need to make repairs to the structures under the toilet.  Hidden damage is common, but often times there is no damage.  This is especially true when the toilet is in fact leaking, but moisture is confined between layers of floor coverings.”

It may seem wishy-washy, but this is what is necessary to communicate an issue that cannot be “positively” confirmed in the context of the home inspection.  Stating that there “is” moisture is not adequate and stating there “is not” moisture is not adequate.  

Sometimes the inspector MUST be wishy-washy.

Charles Buell, Real Estate Inspections in Seattle

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Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Charles - We've seen quite a few false positives, in the sense of inspectors identifying problems that don't exist - those really complicate the resolution of such issues. Our clients are usually satisfied when our inspectors find symptoms of what may be a problem, and suggest follow up by a qualified contractor.

Oct 17, 2017 12:23 PM
Anna "Banana" Kruchten
HomeSmart Real Estate - Phoenix, AZ
602-380-4886

Charles oh yes we've dealt with these situations far too often lately.  Most of the time it's stated there is an issue when in fact it's not an issue.  We work through them the best way possible. It drives one of our contractor guys nuts when an inexperienced inspector puts up a warning flag full of false positives. I can hear him right now!!  There is nothing wrong - NOTHING! Got it - thanks!

Oct 17, 2017 01:45 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That "ghosting" around that toilet indicate that issue is something that has happened more than once.  And "nothing wrong," or "incessant dryness" doesn't cause that!  There's only one way to find out if the seal is bad. 

I had one last week on hardwood flooring.  After flushing the toilet 5 times, the thermal camera and moisture meter indicated present moisture.  I didn't say "possibility" - I said the probability that there was moisture due to leaking was high, and that further evaluation by a licensed plumber was highly recommended.

I'm covered, my client is covered!

Oct 17, 2017 04:16 PM
Debb Janes
Nature As Neighbors - Camas, WA
Put My Love of Nature At Work for You

It happens a lot. Under washing machines too. Had one where the plumber found no problems with any leaking or moisture, yet the inspector stated the moisture meter indicated there was moisture under the washer. 

Nov 05, 2017 05:50 AM