How To Determine That The Seal Has Broken In A Double-Pane Window

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

How to determine that the seal has broken in a double-pane window.

The seal has broken long BEFORE condensation and fogging are visible in a double-pane window.

But how can you know that?

You can't.  Unless you have a thermal camera!

One thing I do with Mighty Mo is to sweep the entire house.  I'm looking for many things. 

And one of those many things I'm looking at is to see how the windows are doing.

In this house none of the windows showed condensation.  But one, only one, demonstrated the classic Bull's Eye pattern indicative of a broken seal.

The Bull's Eye happens as pressure differences begin due to the broken seal.  As the gas inside the two panes dissipates air is drawn inside.  As the pressure changes the two panes begin to get drawn together.

When it's cold outside, and at the time of this image the outdoor temperature was about 40F, a thermal camera can reveal that the two panes are closer, and cooler, in the middle than on the edges.

And the pattern that you see develops.  Choosing a color palette which best demonstrates the phenomenon can make it very clear.

You can actually see that the top window is also beginning to draw closer together.  Just beginning.

Also, notice (contrary to popular belief) that the thermal efficiency of the window is not decreased that much by the broken seal and the loss of the inert gas inside the panes.  The temperature difference between the cooler center and the warmer edges is only about 10 degrees.

My recommendation:  a thermal camera goes a long way toward evaluating a house for many different things.  And windows are one of those things!  Be sure to make a thermal image sweep an essential part of your home inspection.  You'll be glad you did.

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments (27)

Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Good morning Jay. Most often overlooked and an expensive lesson! Thanks. Enjooy your day!

Dec 10, 2017 05:52 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Hi Miss Judi!  Yes, I learn things nearly every time I use it!  This isn't the first time I've found Bull's Eyes, of course, or the first post about it, but thought this one would be instructive for those who have not seen it before.

Wayne - fer sher, good buddy.  Windows and doors account for 30% of energy loss.  Truly.

Dec 10, 2017 06:27 AM
Fred Hernden, CMI
Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area - Albuquerque, NM
Albuquerque area Master Inspector

Not too many inspectors use it here, but I do a walk around scan at every inspection... I love my E6!

Dec 10, 2017 08:42 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Fred - E6 is a good unit.  In winter it should pick up a few Bull's Eyes here and there!

Dec 10, 2017 08:53 AM
Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

Hi Jay Markanich you certainly set the bar high for other home inspectors.... every one of them should have a Mighty Mo.....

Dec 12, 2017 11:31 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Barbara - a couple of years after I bought my first camera, 14 years ago, I was learning and finding so many things I said that in a few years every inspector would be using thermal cameras.  Boy, was I wrong.

Dec 12, 2017 11:42 AM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Jay,

Glad that Joe Pryor reblogged this.  This is great information.  On the project we are working in Florida, they are installing triple pane windows,  Would your camera detect leaks in those also.  A

Dec 12, 2017 12:11 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

A triple-pane window would not demonstrate this phenomenon, R&A.  And I have never seen such a pattern in the summer on double pane. 

I can't remember the last time I saw triple-pane windows!

Dec 12, 2017 12:25 PM
Kat Palmiotti
406-270-3667, kat@thehousekat.com, Broker/REALTOR® - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

I have a hunch every window in my house would reveal broken seals... even though my hubby insists they are just fine. So for now, I'll just wear an extra sweater.

Dec 23, 2017 03:23 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Might be, Kat, but likely not.  However, broken seals does not diminish their efficiency that much.

Dec 23, 2017 04:42 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Jay

Thanks for the tip. I have learned to spot a number of signs of a broker seal but this takes it to another level. Glad to know the broken seals do not damage the efficiency that much, but that cloudiness and ghosting can sure be annoying.

Jeff

Dec 24, 2017 12:42 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Jeff - the window guys will tell you that they must be replaced as they are no longer effective.  But the cloudiness is the reason most people give up on them.

Dec 24, 2017 03:39 PM
Betsy N. Robinson - Serving the Sandhills, NC
Everything Pines Partners, LLC. - Whispering Pines, NC
CNS

Very interesting, Jay.  I have not experienced any of our local inspectors using this technology.  Sure going to ask about it.  Thanks for sharing.

Dec 25, 2017 09:49 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Betsy.  I have been using thermal cameras for 14 years or so.  They are a big help to my inspections and have been a boon to my business.

Dec 25, 2017 10:23 AM
Jan Green - Scottsdale, AZ
Value Added Service, 602-620-2699 - Scottsdale, AZ
HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN

Great words of wisdom regarding windows, efficiency, broken seals, and how to find the broken seal. My inspector here in AZ has a thermal camera.  I'll start asking him to shoot the windows as a just in case.  Glad to know the temperature difference is only 10 degrees.  I wonder if that applies in my climate zone in Phoenix?! 

Dec 25, 2017 07:13 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I expect energy loss would be the same summer or winter, Jan.  I'm not sure the bull's eye works in warm weather though as I've never seen it.

Dec 26, 2017 01:00 AM
Corey Martin
Martin Presence Group - Ruston, LA
Real Estate and Management Solutions

I will be sure to ask my inspector if he looks for this already. Thanks for sharing!

Dec 28, 2017 11:48 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks for stopping by Corey.  I found this phenomenon many years ago and have many thermal images.

Dec 28, 2017 12:58 PM
Donald A. Masters
Master Home & Building Inspections, LLC - Rockville, MD

Nice post Jay! Excellent education on the misnomer that loss of the inert gas renders the window unit useless for thermal resistance.  The two pane system in a vinyl casing is still pretty amazing in what it accomplishes for energy savings compared to those old steel casement post-war windows of the 1950s. 

Jan 18, 2018 05:48 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Don.

Here is a thermal image during an inspection yesterday showing a single-pane window.  It was about 40F outdoors at that time!

It speaks a lot toward the inefficiency of single pane!

My first ancestor to come to America, Alexander Wallace, arrived in Maryland in 1702 and had his first child near what is now Rockville.  They married often over the centuries with the Magruders.  I am a direct relation of Zadock Magruder, of Magruder High School, too!

Jan 19, 2018 03:41 AM