Bigger Than His Own Mind

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On Fox News on Hannity and Colmes tonight one of the guests was Jesse Ventura, former Navy Seal, former professional wrestler and former Governor of Minnesota.

Has 3 years of active duty behind his belt. Big guy, looks very impressive...

Hannity asked him about his conspiracy theories regarding September 11, he started answering and it was painfully pathetic. It was embarrassing...

I do not understand why people like the conspiracy ideas so much. Is it that these people want it to be something even more sinister than it was?

Thousands died, this was more than any movie, and coming with these ridiculous ideas does not speak well about the former governor.   

He had enough popularity to get to the state capitol, but did he have enough intellectual capacity to really be the Governor? He wanted to be "Jesse 'The Mind", but still ended up as "Jesse 'The Body'. Had the highest popularity ranking in Minnesota history, but got people less enthusiastic later in the term.

Big guy, bigger than his mind, unfortunate...

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Brett Noel
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He is an interesting guy, another celebrity in Politics

May 23, 2008 06:44 PM #1
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Brett - Do you think he is the same caliber as Arnold in California?

May 23, 2008 06:50 PM #2
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Susan Walters
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First, my reputation is shot already so I will speak my mind unlike so many others who will silently agree or disagree, as the case may be.  Fox News is a laughing stock and should never be taken seriously, period.  Second, conspiracy theories have validity.  Given what this administration has managed to do in the last two terms of service, there has evidently been a lot of conspiracy going on.  I discount nothing.  (I have no opinion on Jesse Ventura.)

May 23, 2008 06:50 PM #3
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Susan - Conspiracy theories in a democratic society, where you can't sneeze without it being immediately known to the whole world, where there is extremely difficult to have anything in secret, even what absolutely should have been be (tons of cases in question), are simply a simplistic way of looking at complex systems, issues, etc.

When we do not grasp the complexity, we come up with a conspiracy. Hey, administration could not keep even CIA agent's name in secret, so what conspiracy you are talking about?

Just be realistic. If a kid fails in school, it is still because he was lazy, not because there was a conspiracy to fail the school. If the Bush administration did something that you do not like, does not necessarily mean that this is because they conspired.

As for Fox news, or any other in this respect, you can either take them seriously, or... come up with conspiracy theory, whichever is easier.

May 23, 2008 07:03 PM #4
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Jon - Minnesota has been an unusual state for its politics - very much from the sublime to the rediculous.  I note Al Franken is running for Senate there this time.

Jesse Ventura was a local city councilman for one of the cities just North of Minneapolis.  The public and the press loved his direct manner of speaking.  He also had worked as a pro wrestler so had a certain flair for theater.  As far as his capacity - he was also a Navy SEAL, so I wouldn't doubt his intellectual capacity. 

I think he was frustrated by the concensus building process that goes along with government.  He was too much of an individual and celebrity.  The press covered him as a novelty, then became more critical. 

I do not have the perception that he was successful, but I am not familiar enough with the details to make a judgment.  I was not familiar with his position on conspiracy theories - that disappoints me.

Susan - I find Fox News to be preferable to the other choices for my purposes - and their ratings seem to exceed the others.  But, I will agree, when they get it wrong - they really get it wrong.  Haven't found a perfect news service.  I try to get enough additional information from the internet to try to be able to listen and watch critically - whatever station I watch. 

 

May 23, 2008 09:55 PM #5
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Ted - I am guilty of "reverse engineering". I heard him elaborating on the conspiracy about September 11, and it was embarrassing.

I understand the there is a lot of personality, likeability, electability.

Aside from it, he is not the only one with conspiracy theories about September 11, I listening to two "experts", and what strikes me in all of that, is the fact that they truly believe that somebody can conspire with a lot of people to do something and this circle of people is quite sizable, and there is no leak before or after the terrorist act.

I remember talking to a PhD from Russia once and he suddenly made a statement that there is a secret order in the medical field to mistreat those who are 62 and older. His was absolutely sure that the government had to do that to decrease the number of those, who need medical care the most. It did not bother him that the notion of hundreds of thousands of medical professionals never leak it to the public.

Oh well

May 24, 2008 02:49 AM #6
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This is an amazing country, isn't it. It seems with the right amount of gaul and the right blend of media, even the ridiculous is not impossible. How we can do these things and still look in the mirror in the morning is amazing to me. We do live in strange times.

May 24, 2008 05:00 AM #7
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William Johnson - It is only going to get more strange in the future. Still, as we even see with Jesse Ventura, you can get elected, but the ability to build consensus (as Ted said in his comment above) is not a given even with the biggest celebrity.

 

May 24, 2008 10:35 AM #8
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Clearly I barked up the wrong tree here.  Explain all of those deleted emails if there was nothing to hide, and I am not even that politically involved.  Those REALLY in the know can speak about these things better than I can.

Regarding "lazy in school", you definitely have that wrong.  "No child left behind" has forced schools to teach basics ad nauseum, even to kids who got it on day one.  Those are the kids left behind.  Recently I heard someone talk about public schools fast-tracking the quick learners back in the 60's/space race so that the best and brightest really could excel.  That is a rarity these days with school budgets.  There is money for the kids at the lower end of the learning spectrum (not begrudging them) but not at the higher end.  I guess we need to hold the proverbial bake sale to get that education funded.  Both need individualized education plans and we need the high achievers not to get disillusioned with what amounts to babysitting.  Maybe that was George's problem at Yale - not enough challenge?

Regarding Fox news, I will respond in the same tone that Ted did above.  We don't have unbiased media these days anywhere.  To be truly informed, Americans need to do a lot of digging.  Anna Nicole and Paris and Britney are not what our news should be.  It used to be intelligent and useful.

And why can't we sneeze without it being noted?  Could it be the Patriot Act?

May 24, 2008 12:49 PM #9
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Jon,

I don't know how that guy ever got elected to any public office. Must have been a revolt against both parties. He sure doesn't represent the finest minds in Minnesota! He should have stayed in wrestling. Is he back wrestling again?

May 24, 2008 01:08 PM #10
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Susan - I am running a small brokerage. I wouldn't want my e-mail to be open to everyone. Then I represent sellers, I wouldn't want the buyers to see what I write tot the Sellers, and vice versa.

You see, I am not arguing with you that some things are not the way you or I think they should be. But how this is the conspiracy?

As to the problem sneezing and remaining unnoticed, it is due to a level of transparency, that exists in the society, and is the direct result of free speech. Does free speech brings only sweet fruits? Maybe not. But it creates the society, where conspiracy is not easy.

Molotov-Ribbentrop pact signed August 24, 1939 between Russia and Germany had a Secret Protocol attached to it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact). It was a terrible document outlining the territorial interests of the Soviet Union and Germany. In 1945 the microfilm of the document (the original was destroyed) made it to the West. Soviet Union kept claiming that this was a falsified document, that the Soviet Union had never signed anything like that, that this was another Western provocation.

Even when Glasnost and Perestroika came in 1985, Mikhail Gorbachev claimed that the Sovien Union never signed it, and denied that Secret Protocol ever existed. In 1988 was the first time they acknowledged that there was the Secret Protocol, and 2 years later I saw with my own eyes the Map of Europe with Stalin's signature on it with the tail of the signature of nearly 2 feet (51 cm) crossing the Europe.

That was conspiracy. But Chernobyl blasting out in 1986 was anything but conspiracy. There were tons of things that went wrong, but that was not conspiracy. What I am trying to say is that something fishy, something not right, something disastrous does not necessarily mean that it involves the conspiracy.

As for the Patriot Act, let me ask you this: do you remember the time when you did not need to show ID to buy an airline ticket? When your bags were not searched? You lost that, did you scream? Life is changing, and there is a reaction to the change. I do not know about the Act but we all lose some of our freedom, in exchange for safety.

Fox News ran the interview with Jesse Ventura. I do not think that I would have had a different opinion, had that be done by CNN. Ventura stunned me, not Hannity.

May 24, 2008 06:59 PM #11
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Mike - It is interesting phenomenon, celebrities in Politics. Turning popularity into electability. Tom Hanks for President, can it work?

California Governor is a celebrity, Ventura aslo won easily and had 79% approval rating. As Ted said, consensus building got him frustrated, and eroded his popularity.

But I was simply shocked when he started explaining his conspiracy theories about September 11. ANd again, there are many people who come up with weird stuff, but I was listening to the former Governor, and that was scary.

He was talking about the way the towers were falling, the size of the debry, that 2 planes knocked 3 buildings, and I was looking at him at disbelief. 2 or 3 buildings (or more ) was not the question for me. THe question was that he did not have any problem with the idea of our government sinisterly participating in this. That part did not bother him at all. I would say that to really conspire in a plot like this would take people like Stalin and Hitler.

That's what really bothers me with this interview.

 

May 24, 2008 07:09 PM #12
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I caught that interview, too. The sad thing is that "The Mind" is right on so many counts but then "The Body" goes off the deep end. 

I hear a lot of complaints about the Patriot Act, but I have never heard of more than an anecdote of how it has been abused. Rest assured that, with the rarist (and criminal) exceptions, your defense and public safety offials use the Patriot act and other laws to keep us safe not to spy on law abiding citizens. What would they gain by that anyways???

If I could find a "mainstream" news outlet that wasn't nakedly biased, I switch to it from FNC everytime FNC does a fluff piece on the celeb du jour.

Hope you don't mind a newby hi-jacking yer thread...I'll shut up now.

May 25, 2008 12:08 AM #13
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Wayne -  I think you are absolutely correct. We do give up some of our freedom in exchange for safety. And we have done it in the past, so doing it is not really a problem for Americans, accepting it, however, is a problem.

This is one of the most law abiding (and most probably the most law abiding) countries in the world. Which means that we voluntarily gave up a lot of freedom. Let's say when Police stops you , puts handcuffs, this is just the example. Or, it is needed to be done, so that the community can be safe. Sure, but the world is getting smaller, and Patriot Act is doing the same to us as a country.

Don't you feel humiliated when you need to take your shoes off at the airport? This is even pretty much useless, as trained terrorists would have no problem getting to the planes with whatever they need. AND WE ARE NOT COMPLAINING. And then the same people start playing a dangerous game with Patriot Act, which can compromise the security of the country.

This is IMO just bogus.

May 25, 2008 05:47 AM #14
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In my opinion, Jesse Ventura looked rediculous to say the least. He could not get his points out without a smirk on his face.

May 25, 2008 05:55 AM #15
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Nicholas -  I thought that as private people we can come up with most ridiculous stuff. There are plenty of weirdos out there. What surprised me was the guy with the authority (not now), who was thinking that way.

We coexist with mentally sick people, and this is OK. It may, however, be not OK to have one making decisions affecting the lives of many people. I am not implying that Jesse has any mental problem, of course, this is just to show the logical extent of the situation.

So, are people of Minnesota lucky that there was not a situation where he wold made very important decisions with so many "cockroaches" in his head? That is scary.

May 25, 2008 06:04 AM #16
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He looked very scary to me. The scary thing about it mostly is that there are people who actually agree with him.

Sad for the nation, sad indeed.

May 25, 2008 06:10 AM #17
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Nicholas - Peopl sometimes opt for drama instead of reality.

I did not care for all his "technical" stuff why he thought it was a conspiracy. What it tells me is the guy is ready for the govermnet to get involved in crimes against its people. If you are sincere and think that you r government is capable of that, you needed to raise hell BEFORE  anything happened and not wait for something and then try to find the goverment hand in it.

The other thing is that we often expect from others what we would do ourselves. So, being a governor of the State, was he ready to participate n a conspiracy plot?

May 25, 2008 06:40 AM #18
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Jon, My argument is clearly not with you and since I did not see the Jesse Ventura interview should not perhaps have commented.  I do think this administration has take so many liberties with our liberties, passed laws in the dead of night, or vetoed laws that the public clearly wanted or did not want, or totally ignored laws already on the books, that we should all be afraid.  I am looking forward to November.  This era must end - I almost don't care how it does, so long as it does - so some sanity can come back to light.  I truly respect our mutual opportunities to agree or disagree and to hold opinions so freely spoken.  I have lived outside the US and some relatives have lived outside the US on many occasions for several years at a time - the consensus is that this is the best place in the world to live.  I won't debate that.  I remember as a child wondering how it was that I was so lucky to be born here as an American citizen.  I just have real fears, like many others, that it will not always feel so good.  I'll repeat, I'm looking forward to November.  I congratulate you for being actively involved in the political process.  Too many do not bother, to the detriment of all of us, particularly if they vote uninformed.

May 26, 2008 04:47 PM #19
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Susan - I would disagree with some statements you made, but actually this is OK. I guess you used the term conspiracy in a way, that stunned me. You did not hear Jesse, so you do not know what he implied in this. There maybe a lot of things we disagree, a lot of things that can make us feel uneasy, but conspiracy for me is something more sinister. It is something which is done contrary to what is said to the public.

Whether we like the administration or not (and I could not wait for Clinton to leave), the level of transparency in this country is most unlikely for real conspiracy to heppen.

And in that sense we are lucky. You - that you were born in America. Me - that I could come here and became a citizen.

I sense your frustration. I am a bit cautious as you seem to think that anything is going to be better that what we have now. I do not agree with that. I was in New York at time the mayor was Mr. Dinkins. In my opinion the city was going down and the events were mostly uncontrollable. However, I was a fresh immigrant and I thought that this is how it should be. Then came Rudy Juliani and the City started changing noticeably right away. This is a great lesson for me. This was for the first time in my life when I saw that a concerted effort of the administration, the people of that city, were changing it to a cleaner and safer and more discipline and organized place.

I am afraid that we do not value what had been done by this administration as there was not a single serious attack, and there were over 30 serious attempts, but they were prevented. Imagine 30 events like September 11?

Thank you for your passionate but very respectful comments.

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