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Throwback Thursday: Christmas In 1974!

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In the last quarter of 1974 we had a call from the University of California-Santa Barbara.  They had heard that we taught a weekend relationship course all over the country that was accredited by both University of California- Berkeley and the University of San Francisco.

 

They invited us to speak at a symposium during the holidays  The purpose of that symposium was to discuss relationships and Christmas/Holiday expectations. They also invited, then NY Times best selling authors of Open Marriage, George and Neena O'Neill, to sit on a discussion panel with us.  This was held at UCSB during the Christmas Holiday season.

 

The purpose of the 2 day event  was to discuss relationships and Christmas/Holiday expectations.  Not every family has the quintessential happy family scene of gift giving, good cheer and joy.   Simply put, the Norman Rockwell Christmas scene was not a universally joyful event filled with good wishes, peace and happiness.  

 

We had friends who went into a deep depression over the holidays, whose memories were tainted with alcoholic parents and unhappy siblings fighting.  They never wanted to go home for Christmas, and in college some of our friends preferred staying in a nearly empty dorm. 

 

We walked into a ballroom of attendees who personified the Bah Humbug state of mind  on holidays and all its meanings.   And many were depressed. We opened with our usual discussion of how relationships deteriorate, followed by how to build them back up providing both partners were on the same page, or how to have the courage to walk away.

 

We have always felt that in an ideal relationship has as its building block two people who meet each others expectations, needs and desires.  Neither one us was willing to compromise, until we found the right person. That includes having the commitment to do ones best when adversities arise in the course of life, rather that splitting up.  Our personal motto is nothing is bigger than the two of us!  And in the course of our long marriage, that still works for us.

 

Our co-presenters, the O'Neills felt that an open marriage was key to alleviating what lacked in a marriage relationship..  The dynamic of an open marriage briefly stated means having boyfriends and girlfriends for intimate relationships, in order to full fill whatever was missing in their relationship.  The authors wrote, was simply "to strip marriage of its antiquated ideals and romantic tinsel and find ways to make it truly contemporary."

 

Our audience was attentive and interested in both views.  They asked intelligent questions to which we all responded.   We enjoyed ourselves and learned once again, that holidays of all sorts in reality are not all wonderful for everyone in the world. 

And we fell in love with Santa Barbara! Kathy Streib that was the gift, I never forgot! I knew we would live in the area one day!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Comments(22)

Debb Janes
Nature As Neighbors - Camas, WA
Put My Love of Nature At Work for You

You two do have a wonderful relationship. Would love to keep reading more and more about your tips to a long and lasting marriage. A book, perhaps? Love you both. D 

Dec 13, 2018 12:18 PM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

My memory may be a bit foggy but I think we had more snow than this

Dec 13, 2018 12:26 PM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

Ah, the 1970s, when there were symposiums featuring "Open Marriage."  Just to be fair, there was also large flowered wall paper, Gold and Avocado colored appliances, big hair, and of course polyester.

That being said, you are right about the holidays.  We are fortunate in our family.  Everyone is mostly simpatico.  But, we try not to talk too much about politics at family gatherings. . .But, I know who the good guys are!

Dec 13, 2018 12:30 PM
Sharon Lee
Sharon Lee's Virtual Assistance - Jonesborough, TN
Retired and loving life

1974 was the year I graduated high school and must be I am from the old school because if I was married I wouldn't want an open marriage. There is enough problems in an monogamous relationship let along one that involves others. Different strokes I understand but a good solid marriage is based on trust, respect and commitment. I don't see that happening in an open marriage. Just my opinion. Christmas and other holidays aren't Norman Rockwell for sure. The folks that have that are blessed. I had some decent ones but many that were quiet and just another day. I look forward to making my own type of holiday happenings. Still not Norman Rockwell but happy ones nonetheless.

Dec 13, 2018 01:34 PM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Debb Janes EcoBroker and Bernie Stea JD definitely a book is on the docket with the intent of publishing it in 2020.  Neena O'Neill walked up to us afterwards and told us that she envied us.  A

Dec 13, 2018 01:55 PM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Myrl Jeffcoat today Open Marriage is considered a historical episode, and nothing more than that.  Mr. O'Neil was the ruler of the household, dictating how much money she could spend etc...They got a divorce shortly after this.  A

Dec 13, 2018 01:57 PM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Sharon Lee nothing good about an open marriage.  It proved to be a disaster, no trust can exist on any level...and the O'Neils acknowledged this with a divorce!  A

Dec 13, 2018 01:59 PM
Beth Atalay
Cam Realty and Property Management - Clermont, FL
Cam Realty of Clermont FL

Hello Ron and Alexandra Seigel, you two had an awesome opportunity to speak to the masses. The holidays can be so overwhelming for some, we each cope in different ways. Life isn't perfect, neither is Christmas but it's all in our attitudes. Great post!

Dec 13, 2018 04:43 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

What a wonderful opportunity the attendees had to get a thorough perspective from both of you, Alexandra. 

I was raised in among high-ranking military officers who all lived the Norman Rockwell lifestyle, especially during the holidays with their families. I never knew a divorced person until I was in my last years of high school and my best friend's parents were divorced. Their holidays were perfectly 'normal' to me and it wasn't until I was a nurse that I ever met anyone who DIDN'T live the joyous life during the holidays. I never thought of myself as 'sheltered' but, I was simply never exposed to families who didn't 'live' like me until I was out on my own.

ANYWAY, with my first experience with a patient/family, I realized that I needed to be incredibly sensitive to their needs and that sensitivity has continued throughout my life. It still hurts my heart when I run into someone who doesn't enjoy the holidays but, sometimes the little things we do can help them heal - even if it's just a little something to make their hearts smile. Making a difference is why we are here...and that will always be my mission!

Dec 13, 2018 09:06 PM
James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

Morning Alexandra.

We have a family member who will never be at our holidays gatherings again.  Pity

Dec 14, 2018 02:25 AM
Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

What an amazing experience to have, Alexandra. And in such a beautiful place! the 1970's were an interesting decade in terms of how people were evaluating societal norms and relationships. It is easy also to forget that many people don't have wonderful memories of the Christmas holiday season and that getting through this season can be agony for them. At the end of the day, very few of us grew up in Norman Rockwell-type of families and we probably all carry some scars from that fact.

Dec 14, 2018 05:01 AM
Brian England
Ambrose Realty Management LLC - Gilbert, AZ
MBA, GRI, REALTOR® Real Estate in East Valley AZ

That is indeed an amazing experience, I am sure the people that attended left there feeling a lot better about themselves and their relationships.

Dec 14, 2018 06:41 AM
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

Thanks for sharing your experience. This is a very important topic. Depresson is a very common holiday factor for many.

Dec 14, 2018 08:33 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Ron and Alexandra- I absolutely love your very special gift. What a time in our country! I think I was just out of grad school and "Free love" was the message everywhere. Society's pressure of the Norman Rockwell holiday and family life can be hard for many. We don't have to throw away the mold or pattern for how we live our life but rather tailor what we do and how we celebrate to fit what is real in our lives. 

Dec 14, 2018 09:43 AM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Hello Alexandra and Ron = a memorable gift and your post has my mind racing with thoughts because of your words here and the comments left.

Dec 14, 2018 11:59 AM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Debe Maxwell, CRS 

Thank you so much for sharing your experience and growing up and your innate sense for the well-being of others.  Your comment touched me deeply as I read it last evening.   That experience would rank as the best Christmas gift we received, as we gave and received.  Wishing you a great weekend.

Dec 14, 2018 12:18 PM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Michael Jacobs 

Thank you, I hope I sent your mind racing in a good way and we wish you a delightful weekend.  A

Dec 14, 2018 12:19 PM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Kathy Streib you described the times well...In San Francisco where we began teaching the class was the embodiment of all this.  We had over 500 people at an introductory evening...they had a sense that some of the relationships were empty and lifeless...and oh my the things we heard.  A

Dec 14, 2018 12:21 PM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Brian England  we hoped we had made an impact on them.  That was our wish, and who knew then, we would be living here.  A

Dec 14, 2018 12:23 PM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Nina Hollander I think many of us have the "scars" you refer to.  When we lived in Los Angeles, I invited friends who had scars for Christmas dinner, kept it light and fun...I see them in our extended family, the undercurrents that one of the family members has faced up to and is in therapy to expunge past hurts.  A

Dec 14, 2018 12:25 PM