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1929 Kalispell Ordinances: Prohibiting Disorderly Houses

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with eXp Commercial, Referral Divison RRE-BRO-LIC-75443

I recently found an online directory of Kalispell City ordinances and thought it would be intriguing to see what some of the ordinances of the past were. The last post covered a 1928 ordinance about fire access to basement. This one is from 1929. There were only three ordinances put in place during that entire year. One was the annual appropriations, one dealt with driving rules, and the final one was about prohibiting disorderly houses, which is the one reviewed here.

Ordinance #420, effective July 29, 1929, dealt with "disorderly houses." What comes to mind when you hear that term? I immediately thought people were leaving trash outside their homes and that was going to be some kind of misdemeanor.

Nope, here's the text of the ordinance.

"Section 642, Disorderly Houses. No person shall be an inmate of, or shall keep or maintain within the limits of this city a disorderly house or place, or permit or suffer to come together at such house or place persons of evil name or fame, or suffer to be committed at any house or place kept or maintained by him or them, any loud or unnatural noise, singing, playing, or dancing of a kind and nature offensive or annoying to passerby or to the neighborhood."

There are no penalties identified in the ordinance.

So what does this mean?

Forget that it's a run-on sentence that is somewhat confusing to read! If you take out the words inmate or evil, it sounds as though all they are saying is that making a lot of noise and bothering pedestrians and other homes is a no-no. But add all the words in, and it becomes more confusing.

To start with the definition of "inmate." Currently, the definition is "a person confined to an institution such as a prison or hospital." The archaic definition is "a person who dwells with others in the same house." An archaic definition though is supposed to be "extremely" old so in this case, I'm thinking the first definition is probably the right one. With that in mind, it sounds as if the ordinance is saying you cannot confine a person in a disorderly house.

But what then, is a disorderly house?

The ordinance seems to say a disorderly house is one where the inhabitants are annoying other people with their loud music, dancing and "evil" partying.

So were Kalispellans of the 1920s swiping people off the street and throwing them in a boisterous house against their will?

I think not.

I'm thinking this 1929 ordinance means you cannot (should not?) live in a home where there is a lot of noise that is bothering the neighbors. More specifically that you should not be making a lot of noise that bothers others. So the current definition of inmate above would apply. But there are no listed consequences if you do live in such a house. So why would anyone pay attention to this rule?

So once again, I'm wondering, "What were they thinking?" Maybe there was one person causing issues and this ordinance was an attempt just to deal with them?

I am left wondering.

And there you have it, another blast from the past of Kalispell Montana. I wonder what I'll find the next time I peek into the Kalispell Ordinances?

If you have any real estate related needs, feel free to give me a call on 406-270-3667 or email me at kat@thehousekat.com and I would be happy to find the right person to assist you!

Originally posted at thehousekat.com. Photos developed with AI and Kat's imagination.

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Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

Thank you very much, Kat, for posting this interesting series.

Have a great day and an outstanding week.

Feb 07, 2024 10:33 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Thank you Roy!

Feb 07, 2024 12:51 PM
Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can!
Red Rock Real Estate (435) 632-9374 - St. George, UT
Southern Utah's Preferred Real Estate Agent.

We'd be in trouble if these ordinances were in place today because we Silobrate, that includes loud music, dancing and partying (minus the evil part), Kat! Our property is not junked up like the one in the photo though.

Feb 07, 2024 10:47 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can! - Yes, you'd be in trouble if they didn't allow fun!

Feb 07, 2024 12:51 PM
Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can!

Bring on the FUN! 🎉

Feb 18, 2024 12:39 PM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Apex Realtors, LLC ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
Educating. Encouraging. Serving.

Good afternoon Kat,

I'm so glad you are going back and checking out these old ordinances. Fun to try and see what life was like and what their concerns were. I'm with you I think there may have been some that had entirely too much time on their hands!!!

Feb 07, 2024 11:13 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Dorie Dillard Austin TX - Yes indeed - too much time on your hands results in trouble!

Feb 07, 2024 12:52 PM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Kat Palmiotti well what came to my mind as I read the ordinance was that they don't want any party houses.  That could mean a number of things, BUT it could be referring to a home used by women who like to entertain.  Get my drift.  🤣🤣🤣

Feb 07, 2024 03:59 PM
Kat Palmiotti

Yes indeed I do, George Souto !

Feb 07, 2024 05:51 PM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Retired Home Stager/Redesign

hi Kat-when you left the East Coast I wondered how you could replace those wonderful posts about the Trail. Now I know. I love this series. This particular ordinance is the most confusing for me. 

Feb 07, 2024 07:51 PM
Kat Palmiotti

It's confusing to me too Kathy Streib - and thank  you for your comment about the themed posts. I hope there are enough interesting things to keep this going for a while!

Feb 08, 2024 04:37 AM
Brian England
Ambrose Realty Management LLC - Gilbert, AZ
MBA, GRI, REALTOR® Real Estate in East Valley AZ

It seems that meaningless rules have been around for a very long time, haha.  Why even have a rule if it isn't going to be enforced, haha.

Feb 08, 2024 05:06 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Brian England - I may find out as I read through the ordinances that this one was eventually removed. It was nearly a century ago!

Feb 08, 2024 05:21 AM
Peter den Boer
Atlanta Communities - Woodstock, GA
MBA,GRI, Associate Broker, Realtor

Looks a bit like my neighbors...

Feb 08, 2024 05:52 AM
Kat Palmiotti

I hope that's not true Peter den Boer !

Feb 08, 2024 07:35 AM
Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
"Where There's a Will, There's a Way!"

Hello Kat and this is another one for your area of what they did in the old days and some should apply even today. 

Feb 08, 2024 09:31 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Will Hamm - this one was confusing!

Feb 08, 2024 09:41 AM
Leanne Smith
Dirt Road Real Estate - Golden Valley, AZ
The Grit and Gratitude Agent

Could this be an ordinance for house of "ill repute?"

Feb 09, 2024 06:00 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Maybe Leanne Smith - but some of the previous ordinances specifically said "house of ill repute" so I'd be curious as to why this one beat around the bush.

Feb 09, 2024 06:34 AM
Leanne Smith

Hmm maybe a local elected or person of influence has a grudge against another homeowner?  This was well before HOA's.  I too loved the photo.

Feb 09, 2024 06:58 AM
Lawrence "Larry" & Sheila Agranoff. Cell: 631-805-4400
Charles Rutenberg Realty 255 Executive Dr, Plainview NY 11803 - crrli.com. We are Lic. Assoc. Broker/Lic. RE Salesperson - Plainview, NY
We List/Sell Long Island Real Estate Successfully!

Kat, Interesting to read, even when they may be confusing at times, especially when it comes to older ordinances or statutes that might use outdated terminology. Great series!

Feb 09, 2024 06:04 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Thank you! I'm having fun learning all there is to learn Lawrence "Larry" & Sheila Agranoff. Cell: 631-805-4400 

Feb 09, 2024 06:34 AM
Joyce Marsh
Joyce Marsh Lifestyles - Daytona Beach, FL
Luxury Lifestyle Influencer

I love this post, I’m glad Carol Williams included it in her second chance Saturday post. We are all left wondering what on earth was meant but we can just speculate and imagine! 

Feb 10, 2024 02:28 AM
Kat Palmiotti

That's all I'm doing is speculating Joyce Marsh !

Feb 10, 2024 04:31 AM
Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Oswego, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Good Saturday morning to you Kat Palmiotti. Thanks to Carol Williams I got to read this one. Must say the ordinance of which you write makes more sense than the rules being established by the administrative branch of government, with no powers given it by the constitution, under the direction of the current administration. Enjoy your day.  

Feb 10, 2024 05:10 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Which is to say the current rules make no sense Wayne Martin !

Feb 10, 2024 06:09 AM
Anna "Banana" Kruchten
Retired Broker/Owner - Phoenix, AZ
602-380-4886

Well I guess our neighbors should have gotten us kicked out of the neighborhood years ago and we're known for our big events!  Oh wait......our neighbors also host parties so I guess we all are inmates or evil together!  There is that one tho.........just saying LOL

Feb 10, 2024 10:24 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Anna "Banana" Kruchten - Haha, I think the Kalispell town council would not have been happy with the Kruchten's (or the neighborhood!)

Feb 10, 2024 11:35 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Hi Kat:

This has been a fun series to read but this particular ordinance was especially confusing, as you noted. It's almost as if someone went out of the way to cover as many possibilities for disorderliness as they could when writing this. It's certainly wide open for interpretation.

And I have to wonder, as you did...what were the consequences if someone felt someone's house was disorderly? Why WOULD anyone pay attention to this? Hmm, the start of HOA rules.

Jeff

Feb 10, 2024 12:22 PM
Kat Palmiotti

Haha, Jeff Dowler, CRS - you might be right about the HOA!

Feb 10, 2024 02:03 PM
Patricia Feager
Appraisal Review Board, Denton County, TX - Flower Mound, TX
Licensed to April 2027

Kat Palmiotti - the definition of "disorderly houses," is quite vague. If a bunch of lawyers came up with that definition, I can understand why they would think they were justified to make arrests for any reason they believed written under "Section 642." Then again, if the people who wrote that definition and had power over the people, such as a cult-like religious group, I can also see how their definition could fit any scenario, they deemed was offensive. 

Aren't you glad nothing was written in stone for life? It also made me wonder, who were the people who wrote up these laws and was it because of out-of-control criminal behavior or by people who just liked to point fingers, blame, and make charges because they really didn't enjoy life at all?

 

Feb 12, 2024 05:37 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Oh, it would be great to know what was behind some of these rules, Patricia Feager, MBA, CRS, GRI,MRP !

Feb 12, 2024 05:47 AM
Patricia Feager
Appraisal Review Board, Denton County, TX - Flower Mound, TX
Licensed to April 2027

Kat Palmiotti - I hope you're staying busy and having fun, despite the weather. Knowing you, you already adapted, and the weather is what it is, with no complaints by you. 

Feb 15, 2024 05:27 AM
Kat Palmiotti

The weather has been quite mild this winter, Patricia Feager, MBA, CRS, GRI,MRP - so far so good!

Feb 15, 2024 08:08 AM
Patricia Feager

Kat Palmiotti - People who grow up and live in cold weather climate adapt and know how to dress and stay warm. Plus, with the exception of the house in the photo, they know how to maintain their property to protect their investments year-round. I never doubted your capabilities to change in weather. 

It's good to hear your winter has been mild so far! When I lived in colder climate, I actually enjoyed the colder weather when it snowed. To me, there was no better sound than to walk in deep snow in the forest preserves and only on occasion could hear the sound of an owl, or hear the sound of my own footprints in the snow. Otherwise, silence mixed with snow is refreshingly beautiful!

Feb 18, 2024 06:50 AM
Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

Good question, Kat Palmiotti. Why make a law if there are no consequences if you break them 

Feb 17, 2024 12:07 PM
Kat Palmiotti

Hannah Williams - a rule with no teeth seems pointless!

Feb 18, 2024 04:31 AM
Cara Marcelle Mancuso
Golden Girls with SW Desert Homes - Tucson, AZ
Call a Marana neighbor, I'm THERE!

Fascinating blog posting!  We have a game, I forget the name, where one of the categories is to determine which law is real, and which laws were made up by your fellow opponents.  It's amazing what one learns!  I'll share an Arizona one:  In Tombstone, anyone over 18 must not have more than 1 missing tooth when they smile!

Feb 27, 2024 09:00 AM
Kat Palmiotti

What! Cara Marcelle Mancuso - that is SO interesting! That also sounds like a fun game.

Feb 27, 2024 09:08 AM
John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA
ePRO, SRES, GRI, PMN

I have to admit that, when I saw the mention of a "disorderly house" from a hundred years ago, my thoughts imagined a different kind of "house"

Mar 06, 2024 05:23 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Oh my gosh, what a fun read, Kat! By the photo, I also thought the ordinance was going to be about poor house & lawn keeping! On a sidebar, who on EARTH could live that way (in the photo)?!

As for 'evil fame' - I suppose if one has a bad reputation, they'd best not be found on the property?! I had to read and re-read the ordinance - and as I finished reading for the last time, I wondered why they hadn't written the ordinance with a few sentences, rather than one. Great minds!

And, no dancing? Well, that is simply preposterous!! 


Apr 22, 2024 08:50 AM
Kat Palmiotti

Haha about the dancing Debe Maxwell, CRS !

Apr 22, 2024 12:06 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS

LOL You know I love your lessons in history, my friend! Keep 'em coming, Kat Palmiotti.

Apr 22, 2024 08:23 PM