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A picky grammar problem

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You probably don't think much about the words "fewer" and "less" unless you see a sentence that jars or you are trying to decide which to use in a sentence.

I happen to be thinking about them today because I was jarred by a sentence in grammar mattersan email.

Some sentences do jar, but leave you going back to see why. The meaning is clear, so?

For example: "The cashier wished less people would complain to her about the grocery prices."

You know exactly what it means, and yet it feels wrong. It should have said "fewer people."

Is there a rule for that? Of course.

The general rule is that fewer is used when the topic can be counted, as in fewer problems, fewer choices, and fewer clouds in the sky.

Less is (always but not only) used when the number is measured, as in less time or less effort. Interestingly, we seldom see anyone get it wrong in this instance. Anyway, I've never heard anyone say fewer time or fewer effort.

Are there exceptions to the rule. Also of course.

We count dollars. But we don't say that a gallon of milk costs fewer than $5. We say less than $5. On the other hand, we might say "I have fewer than 5 dollar bills in my wallet."

Back at the grocery store, the fast checkout lane always says "10 items or less." They never say 10 items or fewer, even though it is probably correct.

I didn't find it written anywhere, but it looks to me that the exception goes into effect when the counting reflects actual numbers.

We would therefore say "Fewer people than expected attended the rally," but then say "Less than 200 people attended the rally."

However, that's not a hard and fast rule either. When you're writing a property description for one of your listings, it could go either way.

You could say "I have to say all this in fewer than 1200 characters."

Or

"I have to say all this in 1200 characters or less."

So it depends on the sentence structure.

Why does this matter?

For the same reason that all grammar issues matter. When a prospect is reading grammar roadblocks stop the flowyour beautiful promotional words and gets stopped mid-sentence, you've lost the flow.

They might have been reading along, nodding their heads in agreement with you, and then all of a sudden, it stops. They may only notice that something is off, so stop to look twice. Or - depending upon the error - they may not understand what you meant. Either way, the magic is over.

My best advice: Follow the rule most of the time, but if it doesn't sound quite right, follow your ears! In other words, be sure you read what you wrote (proofread) before you send it out.

And if you aren't sure - ask someone else to proofread for you!

 

 

 

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Margaret Goss
@Properties - Winnetka, IL
Chicago's North Shore & Winnetka Real Estate

Hi Marte

This has been bugging me more lately because so many people say it. On television, on podcasts, and even on audiobooks! Does nobody proofread anymore? (Or should it be "anybody"?) 😏

Feb 08, 2024 01:39 PM
Marte Cliff

Hi Margaret Goss. I believe the way you wrote it is correct: does nobody. Or you could say doesn't anybody.

I do think people forget to proofread, or they try to do it themselves, but finding your own mistakes is difficult. We "know" what we wrote so we see it correctly. Human brains are strange that way.

And then, there's the fact that a good number of people just don't know grammar.

Feb 08, 2024 03:00 PM
Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

Marte, you always make my head spin, and HOPE I remember your rules!

Feb 08, 2024 02:21 PM
Marte Cliff

Joan Cox - I'm sorry! I don't intend to make your head spin.

Feb 08, 2024 03:01 PM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Marte- this is one of those grammar errors that I HEAR and yes, it stops me in my tracks. It's a lot easier than "effect" and "affect."

Feb 08, 2024 06:42 PM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Thanks for the giggle, Kathy Streib. I don't know if this one easier than affect and effect, but I always love your work-around for those two. 

I guess if you needed a work-around for less and fewer you could say not as many as or not as much as. But I think less than and fewer is easier and a lot less lumpy.

 

Feb 08, 2024 07:19 PM
Endre Barath, Jr.
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices California Properties - Beverly Hills, CA
Realtor - Los Angeles Home Sales 310.486.1002

Marte Cliff  always awesome advice, now on a side note were you out here in Los Angeles? The photo looked like many parts of Los Angeles thanks to our Atmospheric River:)Endre

Feb 08, 2024 09:32 PM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Thanks Endre Barath, Jr.. And no, I haven't been to your area since 1997 when the Realtor convention was held in Anaheim. The picture is a stock photo.

Twice a year, when they have their big sale through App Sumo, I purchase 100 stock photos from Deposit Photo for $39. So I use a lot of stock photos! 

Feb 08, 2024 09:54 PM
Endre Barath, Jr.
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices California Properties - Beverly Hills, CA
Realtor - Los Angeles Home Sales 310.486.1002

Well, Marte if you were here the last few days you could have taken similar photos:)Endre

Feb 08, 2024 10:03 PM
Marte Cliff

I don't care for the words "no fair," but it really isn't fair that you're getting this 2 years in a row.

Feb 09, 2024 09:29 AM
Brian England
Ambrose Realty Management LLC - Gilbert, AZ
MBA, GRI, REALTOR® Real Estate in East Valley AZ

I try my best to use proper grammar but it seems that the younger generation could care less about grammar, haha.

Feb 09, 2024 05:01 AM
Marte Cliff

You are so right Brian England - and it makes me worry for the future of clear communication.

Feb 09, 2024 09:30 AM
Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

Another excellent grammar tip. And reading something out loud can often highlight when something is "off."

Enjoy your day!

Feb 09, 2024 05:06 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Kat Palmiotti - yes it can. But how many of us take time to do it?

Another proofreader's method is to read backward. That catches misspellings, doubled words, etc. that we might not "see" reading forward.

Feb 09, 2024 09:31 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Feb 10, 2024 07:33 PM
Marte Cliff

Thank you Kathy Streib!

Feb 11, 2024 08:11 AM
Leanne Smith
Dirt Road Real Estate - Golden Valley, AZ
The Grit and Gratitude Agent

My sense given the quality of education, much younger folks would not even know the different. Today young people are not taught how to diagram a sentence.  How very sad.

Feb 11, 2024 06:39 AM
Marte Cliff

Leanne Smith - sadly, that's just one of the things they aren't taught.

Feb 11, 2024 08:10 AM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

Good morning Marte,

I'm not sure how I missed your post with another excellent grammar tip! I'm so glad that Kathy Streib featured your post in her "Ah-ha" moments for the week. It is a grammar error that I usually "hear" and yes it can stop me in my tracks!

Feb 11, 2024 07:06 AM
Marte Cliff

Dorie Dillard Austin TX - Some of them seem to jump out at you. I annoy myself by going back and looking at them again - as if maybe the words would change?

Feb 11, 2024 08:13 AM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Associate Real Estate Broker

You offer a perfect example of how English is such a hard language to learn properly. Most foreign language have a specific meaning for each word, and few can be interchanged the way we do with ours.

Feb 11, 2024 07:44 AM
Marte Cliff

Ed Silva, 203-206-0754 Yes, this is a difficult language. I have nothing but admiration for people who grew up using some other language and have mastered this one.

Feb 11, 2024 08:15 AM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher

I really figured that you have to ride that line between the grammar that is correct in the grammar that makes sense for the moment in that case.

Feb 11, 2024 11:44 PM
Marte Cliff

That's one way to look at it, Laura Cerrano.

Feb 12, 2024 07:57 PM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Thanks for the grammar tip, and all the exceptions, Marte.

This can be a tough one...I often use less and fewer in my market reports and hopefully do it correctly. I guess less is more, not fewer is more.

Jeff

Feb 12, 2024 07:41 PM
Marte Cliff

I think you're right about that, Jeff Dowler, CRS! I think most of us get it right as long  as we take the time to read it and see how it sounds.

Feb 12, 2024 07:58 PM
Dr. Paula McDonald
Beam & Branch Realty - Granbury, TX
Granbury, TX 936-203-0279

I'm so glad that you keep us all on our toes with the grammar rules. It is sadly, a dying art.

Feb 12, 2024 08:12 PM
Marte Cliff

Dr. Paula McDonald - that wouldn't be so sad if clear communication didn't hinge on grammar.

Feb 12, 2024 09:13 PM
John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA
ePRO, SRES, GRI, PMN

Sometimes, you read something and it just seems wrong. Not the idea being set forth, but the words used.

Worst case example: my wife and I are working on a project the requires the services of a contractor. I contacted a designer friend and I was sent a list of recommended contractors. Unfortunately, it was filled with spelling errors (typing errors?) which were what my wife fixated upon.

Feb 14, 2024 05:53 AM