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Foreclosures? 100% Financing? Sub Prime? NIMBY

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Foreclosures? 100% Financing: NIMBY: Not in my Backyard - It's a BULL Market!

Manhattan is an island.

  There has been much media attention including some great blogs from activerain members like Brian Brady. Many of the headlines are negative some predicting a slow down in the economy the stock market has already become volatile and is in a correction.

I know in many markets the fall out must be terrible. Fortunately in Manhattan nothing can be further from the truth. Our market is on fire. Inventory is very low. We are experiencing multiple bids, no contingencies, full ask and over. I've been receiving calls 15 minutes before a showing that an offer has been accepted, but still showing for backups. I've been trying since Monday to get an appointment with my buyers at a new development for this weekend. They are booked solid. We are on a waiting list for a showing.

Our market is different because 75% of our housing stock is co-ops with stringent financial requirements for purchasing. All properties in NYS require a 10% deposit when the contract is signed. There are not many flippers in Manhattan even though we coined the term back in the early 80's. Lenders can not foreclose on a coop so fast. They have the second lien. The coop corporation has the first lien. Lenders and purchaser's must sign an AZTECH recognition agreement giving the coop first lien.

My good friend and Top REALTOR® in San Francisco and newbie activerain member Gary Small says San Francisco is on fire as well with multiple offers above ASK. Gary knows Noe Valley and The Castro like I know Chelsea and the Upper West Side. We look forward to his first blog.

With all of the talk about sub prime and 100% financing it's never affected me or my business. Fair Housing laws dictate that I can not ask a buyer their race, color, religion, national origin, gender, familial status, marital status, age, disability, sexual orientation or their occupation.

However, I would be remiss if I didn't ask "how are you paying for this purchase"? How much do you have for a down payment? What is your income? Your assets? Your net worth. At some point during the buying process for coops I will require a signed financial statement. Coops require it.

These are tough questions but need to be asked. I don't know if this is practiced outside of Manhattan. A few years ago I was a consumer. I hired a REALTOR® to list my parents house in the suburbs. A great hard working agent. However we would accept offers and after a few weeks we didn't have contracts signed. Each time they didn't have the down payment. I called the REALTOR® and said Don't you find out anything about these buyers. She responded the buyers are another REALTORS® client and all she had was a pre-approval and only lenders ask financial questions. I told her I wanted to know about the buyers. I meant only their finances.

The next day she called and said she was getting an offer from a nice young Irish couple with a baby. I said I want their finances not their ethnicity and familial status. I told her we wouldn't accept another offer until I saw a bank statement with enough for the 10% deposit and a loan commitment letter. Brokers asking financial questions is standard procedure in Manhattan.

Asking the tough questions is better for everyone in the long run. Buying a home is not always right for everyone at the same time. Buying a home is not an entitlement. Buying a home is for people who can afford it and can accept responsibility and risk. In the long haul there is no better investment than real estate. Foreclosures are terrible but for most people who don't have to move in the short term real estate is their best asset.

All markets go in cycles, they correct themselves. It's best to buy and sell in the same market. Hot or cold. It's best to buy when you need a place. I believe the rest of the country housing will pick up soon. If stocks continue to decline I believe that will be good for real estate. 

There is always a BULL market somewhere and right now it's in Manhattan and San Francisco.

Any place else?

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Laurie Manny
Long Beach CA Real Estate - Long Beach, CA

Our inventory is down here too.  Just put one into escrow, imagine my surprise when I found myself in multiple offers!  No way I was losing that one, I had my offer written before it was on the MLS, get out of my way! hahaha

got it!  

Looking good for Spring despite the sub prime problems.  Not worried about getting the loans, heck that is Brian Brady's job!


Mar 15, 2007 05:55 PM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn
Laurie Good for you.  Not to worry Brian will get them financing.
Mar 15, 2007 06:11 PM
Kaye Thomas
Real Estate West - Manhattan Beach, CA
e-PRO, Manhattan Beach CA
We are seeing low inventory and increasing sales in Manhattan Beach  and the other South Bay cities around Los Angeles.. However buyers are picky and overpriced properties that are not in prisitine shape are sitting on the market. Orange County is seeing price declines as is San Diego... So far our market doesn't have a lot of subprime problems.
Mar 15, 2007 07:14 PM
William Collins
ERA Queen City Realty - Scotch Plains, NJ
Property and Asset Management

Mitchell,

Thanks for the post. In my neck of the woods, (central New Jersey), we are not in a bull market.

Mar 15, 2007 10:57 PM
Jennifer Fivelsdal
JFIVE Home Realty LLC | 845-758-6842|162 Deer Run Rd Red Hook NY 12571 - Rhinebeck, NY
Mid Hudson Valley real estate connection

Markets are truly local, I am glad you are experiencing a bull market.  I am in the country and I can see where the foreclosure rate is going to rise.  We have very little co-op so the the bank is the first lien holder.

Here in the country the buying process also differs from county to county.  In some cases the offer is the actual contract, while in others you have an offer at which time a binder of 1% is put down or not, contingencies or worked out then contract is signed and a 10-20% is but down.  In the last two years I saw a big shift to 100% financing, no money down was the big push, I often wondered why would anyone want to do that.  I am happy my clients did not buy into this, I want my clients for life and would be very sad to see them fall into foreclosure.

Mar 16, 2007 12:01 AM
John Klassen
M & T Bank - Kingston, NY

There are many pockets experincing growth. Real estaet is a local business and is driven in part by local economies.

Your other copmmetns are right on as well. Home ownership should be earned. This attitude of entitlement cheapens home ownership and reduces the commitment to make it work. Home ownership should be open to all, but it needs to be worked at.

Mar 16, 2007 12:28 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

Laurie, Thank you. I just realized you're giving out the gold stars

Kaye, Good point, buyers are being picky here too, they want mint condition which is why new construction is doing so well.

William, Hopefully central New Jersey will turn around soon.

Jennifer, Are you allowed as a REALTOR® to actually write an offer (contract) or does the seller and buyer need an attorney? I know in parts of the state they don't have to have attorneys. I agree with you about 100% financing. To me 100% financing is just like renting. I think having some of your own money in the property makes a big difference.

John, real estate is local. I agree with you...What ever happened to people saving for a home or saving for a rainy day?

Mar 16, 2007 01:11 AM
Michael Roberts
Real Estate Professionals of Glynn - Saint Simons Island, GA

Well here in the "Golden Isles" of Coastal Georgia we aren't a four alarm fire but we are not a depressed market either.  For those who track business opportunities we saw a small down turn around August but guess what if you look back 10-15 years a very similar dip happened around the same time annually.  Overall we are a growing and glowing economy dispite Georgia being in the infamous top default states for sub-prime loans.  You see we see you folks from the great white winters coming here and the folks who are fleeing Florida due to their inability to obtain reasonable insurance, lower taxes or a significant increase of illegals although to be frank I see that issue here but I suspect it is everywhere.

As far as asking for financials personally I have no problem broaching that topic say ...oh within the first 5 minutes.. You know a little phrase like "Have you spoken with a lender?"  Have you been qualified NOT pre-qualified.  You see with the new Georgia Association of Realtors Sales Contract if you wish to protect your buyer and seller's interest its best to know going in how much they are apporved for, if they will be participating and so forth.... If they are not qualified I give them a list of folks to contact and send them on their way, followed by a call to the top 3 loan officers on the lists.... If and when they prosue this step when i get them back.. I know they are for real buyers....

Mar 16, 2007 01:17 AM
Marty Van Diest
Valley Market Real Estate - Wasilla, AK
Your Alaskan Realtor

Interesting to hear about different local markets.  Glad things are picking up in NY. 

We don't ask for financials here.  I discuss potential buyers with the lender.  They don't like to disclose, but our contract forms give them permission to dislcose this informatin and I often have to press for it.

 I do like the idea of a financial disclosure and may use it in the future.

Mar 16, 2007 02:18 AM
Brian Brady
Matthews Capital Markets - Tampa, FL
858-699-4590
Well, as you know, Mitchell.  Real estate is local.  I talked about the "Boom in the Big Apple" some 5-6 months ago.  Excellent post about why the sky isn't falling.
Mar 16, 2007 02:52 AM
Tom Burris
NMLS# 335055 - Baton Rouge, LA
Texas/Louisiana Mortgage Pro - 13 YRS Experience

my phone hasnt stopped ringing....

and i have even run across a few folks who were able to pull out some mattress money.... since 100% loans have tightened.

to all those that say "the sky is falling"...... it already fell.... and it didnt hurt a bit!!!

 

Mar 16, 2007 04:26 AM
Brian Brady
Matthews Capital Markets - Tampa, FL
858-699-4590

Tom,

"mattress money"???  I haven't heard that term in 3-4 years!  You old, FHA originator, you.  Remember when we used to refer to the "cultural bias towards banks"?

Mar 16, 2007 06:47 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

Michael, Your phone should be ringing today from snow birds because it has been snowing here all day.

Marty, I need the financials. I've had lenders tell me, I can pre-approve this buyer, I can get them a loan but I can't get them past the coop board. That is my job.

Brian great article, I love the fiji vacation...These are people who can only look at apartments at 7AM or 7pm, I can't picture them being away from their office for a month. 

Tom, Mattress money that is funny. I had a buyer once who kept telling me they would pay $100,000 in cash. I said OK cash and they would say No CASH, yes cash.....  OH $100,000 in twenty dollar bills.

Mar 16, 2007 07:59 AM
Carole Cohen
Howard Hanna Cleveland City Office - Cleveland, OH
Realtor, ePRO
Brian says, Mitchell, he hasn't heard it in three or four years? LOL  maybe cause he's in the mortgage business. I haven't heard it since who knows when! Even in Cleveland (which is as cold as a witches you know what today) I've had a cash buyer LOL   That was however back when the bulls were running.....
Mar 16, 2007 08:19 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

Carole, Wasn't it Spring the other day? It's snowing all day. I hope it stops. I have buyers coming in tomorrow. I hope they can get here in time for our scheduled appointments. I tried moving up appointments but every 1/2 hour is booked.

Approx. 50% of NYC transactions are all cash.

Mar 16, 2007 09:02 AM
Carole Cohen
Howard Hanna Cleveland City Office - Cleveland, OH
Realtor, ePRO
Mother Nature's last winter's gasp? Serious buyers will buy  in cold weather though so good luck. And I guess the fact they are booked every half hour backs up your bull market claim :-)
Mar 16, 2007 09:55 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Mitchell....  well, as William has stated, even in South Jersey, it hasn't been a bull market. Many houses sitting out there for a long time. Sure, people are buying, but it is down. 

In regards to the tightening of the sub prime loans... it will hurt some buyers that could still afford it. Example... I have a client that only has 5% to use, has a credit score of 585....   and needs a stated loan, because she doesn't always deposit what she makes and sometimes gets cash...  but she had a BK just about a year ago which keeps her out of many other programs. The BK was due to her ex and she has had very good credit since the BK.  She reestablished herself in regards to credit. But she won't be able to buy now, unless she got a cosigner. 

Overall....  good post and it is good to learn about the different markets and that this is a local thing. I know Leigh Brown is extremely busy right now.

 

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Mar 16, 2007 05:15 PM
Brian Brady
Matthews Capital Markets - Tampa, FL
858-699-4590

I was hoping Tom would come back and explain "mattress money".  FHA loans (when they were popular) used to be the only loan program that would allow for a borrower's downpayment to escape the verification process if you could prove that the buyer had a "cultural bias against banks".

It was a common way to get immigrants approved who had..."money in their mattress" or "buried in a coffee can in the back yard".  Many immigrants came from countries where the banks would be nationalized or taken over and their money would just....disappear.

It's a great feature of the FHA loan.   Since FHA loans have declined in popularity, I haven't heard the term "matress money" in a LONG time.  I'm showing my age.

 

Mar 17, 2007 04:25 AM
Carole Cohen
Howard Hanna Cleveland City Office - Cleveland, OH
Realtor, ePRO
Yes, I'll show my age too BB. In my area, immigrants kept money in the mattress because banks would not allow them to deposit it, if they were say, Polish or some other non acceptable ethnic group. We've come a long way.
Mar 17, 2007 05:13 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

Hey guys thanks for stopping by today. I've been out in the bitter cold showing today. This morning it was warm so everything was melting into slush drifts and huge puddles then it dropped bitter cold again again.

Jeff, It's too bad that some buyers who are qualified will be hurt by the tightening. Stated income loans are also good for people on commission (like me) and bonuses whose income's flucuate year to year.

BB & CC, I thought the money under the mattress was because they own "grocery stores"

Terry, Thank you for the comment. It really helps me help them when searching for buyers if I know their financial picture. Coops might cost less than condos but you need a bigger downpayment. There are many variables and different risks and advantages associated with different  properties depending on the buyer's individual circumstances. I discuss possible risks and find out what they are comfortable with.

Mar 17, 2007 02:45 PM