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Banks want even lower value BPO's than they should be @ !!!

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Real Estate Agent with MY HOME GROUP 602-321-1273 BR531660000

 

  I am writing the post as a result to some questions posted by another fellow agent in  Scottsdale.

He wrote something along these lines :  banks sell homes sometimes at values so low that are "downright stupid" and he was wondering if some of the agents that do the BPO's might just not know the area well enough to perform a proper BPO/

 Well if you are an agent from Glendale and you have only worked in Glendale for the past 2 years of your  entire RE career than you should not attempt to do a BPO in North Scottsdale ! Period.  If you never ever sold a home in Scottsdale do not do a BPO in Scottsdale . I for one  worked all over the Valley in the past as I did represent a lot of investors  from out of state .. .yes,  kill me now !  lol.  I know what was overpriced then and I know what should still hold values now .  I also own properties in every corner of the valley so I just happen to know more than the average agent the has a specific area they specialize in. I wish I can buy some more  right now as I see some values that are just that:  "downright stupid " but banks do not like to see  loan applications from self employed real estate agents .... LOL

So here is the truth behind  the BPO's :

 I do some of those and did have a few in Scottsdale but  I know the area well;  maybe better than anything else even tought I don't have my office in Scottsdale any more.  I started  my career in Scottsdale back in 2002 and did a lot of Open Houses for my company  as a rookie so I learned everything from DC Ranch to McCormick Ranch ;  however that is not the problem .. when you do a BPO sometimes the vendor ( that is the 3rd party to the transaction  and gets the orders from the bank) has certain rules  and instructions and they want to see REO's sold and active as comps used in the report.  I had to go back and change computations or give extra explanations and   had to bring the values down a bit and spend more time to find something that  I did not think was 100% appropriate.

Sometimes you have to do a "drive by" BPO and so  you don't know if the property is in good shape or not inside or it it has 100K work of upgrades.  I always. always suggest that an inside  BPO be performed . Most pay  a  very low fee no matter where is located  ; from 50 for a drive by to 75 for an inside if completed in less that 48 hours.  So banks stand to loose  or gain  thousands of $$$$ but pay 50 to get a BPO.  ( this is the same thinking that got them in trouble in the first place,  yes I said it . ) I think this all should be de centalized  and every bank to have a local branch where values determined; not at their headquarters located who knows where ....

  I recently got into an argument  with one of the reps  ( at the expense of not getting more work , hopefully not  ) about a property in Ahwatukee Foothills because there were no REO's as comps for this type of home within 2 miles around; this was  a custom built , with a large lot backing the preserve.  Worth close to  $ 900 K +  and they wanted me to bring it closer to the 600 K tract homes where there are REO's .  So I had an issue with that and wrote them a "nice letter" about the fact that I will not de value the market in the neighborhood knowingly . I told them to suggest the bank  to do an inside BPO before deciding on a final price and hire an agent that will market this house properly  not just stick it on the MLS at 400 K less than what is worth. 

  I actually got involved with the BPO's because I was getting upset and frustrated with the values that were projecting in my neighborhoods and wanted to  hopefully make a difference.  

 I can say that I have always done a fair BPO and on the higher side for suggested listing price and then give a lower value for the possible lowest value if sold in 30 days or less . I have recently noticed one of my BPO's went on the market for 5K less that  I suggested as the lowest possible value so go figure !!!!

Some agents have a factory for  BPO's and probably have assistants that do these !!!! and so now you know !!!!  there is no way you can do more that 4 ot  5 a day but some do 20 to 30  or more .  Folks it is just not possible to do that many and do them well  ....  I always do them myself , from driving,  to pics to comps to the information input.  Once a listing sells very, very  low in a particular neighborhood it will pull all values down no matter what, buyers will always look at that value and want their  for even lower .

Please write back your comments and your experiences  in this matter !

 

Posted by

Elena Martinovici ~Associate Broker
My Home Group ~ Scottsdale AZ 

  "Sold Homes Done Right!  "
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Clark Garrison
Taylor 1 INC - Atlanta, GA
"Loan Modifications"

Hi Elena! Great blog about something dear to my heart! LOL BPO's are difficult to do all around the Nation. Mainly because the buyer wants one price and the lender wants another. Many times the truth is somewhere in between! Good luck to all who dare do them! :-)

Jul 08, 2008 11:54 AM
Tim Maitski
Atlanta Communities Real Estate Brokerage - Atlanta, GA
Truth, Excellence and a Good Deal

That is just crazy.

I've seen an occasional crazy low price in my area of Atlanta and wondered how the bank would allow such nonsense.  I use to think banks were run by smart people.  The more I see, the  more I think they are run by idiots.

Jul 08, 2008 11:54 AM
Konnie Mac McCarthy
MacNificent Properties, LLC - Cobb Island, MD
Broker/Owner - VA & MD "Time To Get A Move On!"

I know I had an asset manager call me and ask me to lower a bpo..and I thought I was being conservative...

Jul 08, 2008 11:54 AM
Elena Martinovici
MY HOME GROUP 602-321-1273 - Phoenix, AZ
Associate Broker- Phoenix , Arizona

 Klarque, I sometimes feel like I am the keeper of the gate .

 Tim, I think you are right.

 

 

Konnie,  so this is not a local problem.....

Jul 08, 2008 12:25 PM
Debbie Small
Long & Foster Realtors - Martinsburg, WV
REALTOR

I quit doing BPOs as my state does not allow compensation to a real estate agent unless they are licensed appraisers. Knowing that the 3rd party REO company requires three BPOs before assigning the listing to a small group of agents in my area, it's just not worth my time or gas. Given what you are describing, maybe we're not so dumb in West Virginia.

Jul 08, 2008 02:04 PM
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Aug 10, 2008 03:53 PM
#6
Richmond Virginia
Richmond, VA

I'm with you Elena - why should we lower our standards to fit the numbers banks want.  After all they can list the home for whatever price they want.  There's a reason why they call these an "opinion".  Some assett managers though want to build a case for the price they know they need to break even or make a small profit.

Aug 22, 2008 12:10 AM
Elena Martinovici
MY HOME GROUP 602-321-1273 - Phoenix, AZ
Associate Broker- Phoenix , Arizona

Tim,

I do a lot of BPO's in some zip codes with increased REO activity and  I am very conservative on that case , however when  I do them in neighborhoods of custom homes or upscale areas I work extra hard to make sure I use like kind comps. If it is a "drive by" one can never know how many upgrades are inside and cant really tell how the back yard looks like unless it was recently listed and some pics are still on MLS .  ( most homes have a block fence around  back yard )  I would not want to be the one that got some home valued 100 to 150 K less that what it should be even on a slow market. ( yes I have seen those too ) Some agents probably think that if they do it very low they will get the listing and it will be easy to sell...  or they just don't know the market that well.

 

 

Aug 22, 2008 03:06 AM
Debi Braulik
www.roundrealestate.com - Maple Valley, WA
Selling Maple Valley to Fife WA Homes For Sale

Interesting. In Tacoma I am seeing bank owned properties sitting on the market because they are over priced for today's market. I wonder what their BPO's came in at and whether it is the bank or the agent that is being so unrealistic!

Sep 02, 2008 11:31 AM
Elena Martinovici
MY HOME GROUP 602-321-1273 - Phoenix, AZ
Associate Broker- Phoenix , Arizona

Tacoma and Seattle are not as bad, did not go up in value all that much in 05-06  and belive it or not banks will probably not go down in value a lot unless home is in very  Bad Shape .

Phoenix is a different market . ( banks consider this a declining market ) REO  Values here are 35 % to 50% lower than 2006 FMV .

 

Sep 02, 2008 11:46 AM
Laura Gray
RE/MAX Realty Group - Gaithersburg, MD

Elena

 

Here in the Maryland , DC & Virginia area the BPO's are assigned to more than one agent per address. So the banks are really paying more than $50 + dollars per address. They try to keep all three BPO's in at least a 15% range of each other. This way they feel the numbers are fairly accurate especially in a soft market.

If one of the BPO's is out of line , they either go with the agent that sounds the most knowledgeable about an area or the one they have the best relationship with for their final price range.

Understand in 6 months or less they are going to have at least three more agents do BPO's so they can adjust the prices accordingly.

Remember most of the financial institutions holding these REO's are banks , they don't make any decisions fast. They are not the ones that went bankrupt , it is the Brokers who are mostly all out of business that created these problems.

Renmember what goes up must come down and visa versa , it will are correct itself in time for the next bubble

Sep 23, 2008 10:15 AM
Elena Martinovici
MY HOME GROUP 602-321-1273 - Phoenix, AZ
Associate Broker- Phoenix , Arizona

Stephanie,

  I stand by my work, but had to adjust a few times but mostly I just send back an email with explanations and let them know I have been doing this for 8 years and not new to the market.

 I just don't think this process is all that good.  Assigning BPO's on who's fastest to click on accept ....

Sep 26, 2008 03:25 PM
STANLEY FOSHA
REALTY ONE GROUP - Scottsdale, AZ

Elena - I just had a fun experience with a bank owned. Our client tried to buy the home via short sale. Seller was an ex-agent, bought the place for over $700K and was now just defeated, just couldn't go through the motions to get the short done in time. So we tried to buy at auction. But the bank wanted far too much, more than $550K for a property we valued at around $400k-440K. So, we then sent an offer to the bank...DIRECTLY to the bank. They did not know what to do with it as the bank can't sell the property themselves. I just wanted the offer attached to the file so that whichever REO agent wound up with it, they'd know the house was SOLD...just call me. Deal will be done.

Weeks went by...client was increasingly nervous of losing the house...then one day I see the property debut on the MLS! No calls to my office were ever made regarding our offer. And that's a good thing too, since our offer was for $80k MORE than the REO agent priced the property at! This is a BIG REO Realty company, who is getting a very good reputation for underpricing their listings.

We scored! The neighborhood did not.

Dec 17, 2008 03:29 AM