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As the mist clears!

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Real Estate Agent with Realty ONE Group Advocates 484-237-2055 PA License - AB067198

There are mornings like this one, where the mist or fog is so heavy you can hardly see in front of your nose as we say in England. It has felt that way with the multiple lawsuits brought against brokers, NAR and the MLS's in the real estate industry. Then as the sun rises, it slowly clears and before you know it, it is a bright and sunny day.

After decades of homes being sold in a certain way, someone seems to have suddenly had the bright idea to bring a lawsuit and make some money. The people making the most will be the attorneys, who made a case and won. The firms and brokerages are settling faster than a set of ten pins falling. Without admitting any wrong doing they want to move on and put this behind them. 

BUT, there are other lawsuits, now being brought by the buyer side of the transaction. How long will this last, are these people for real with their stories of not knowing how their agents were getting paid?

So, let's begin at the beginning, homes were listed by an agent working for a broker, any other broker/agent who showed the listing was working for the seller as a sub agent of the listing broker, hence the listing broker shared his commission.

However, the buyers often misunderstood that their agent/broker was working for the seller, thinking that they were being represented. So, "BUYER AGENCY" was introduced. Now the buyer agent/broker represented the buyer, and has a fiduciary relationship with the buyer. However, because of history and how agents were compensated that side of the equation was not changed. Listing brokers still shared their compensation with the buyer agent/broker, even though they represented the buyer. Sellers when listing their homes were advised of this and negotiated how much they were willing to offer these buyer agents/brokers. Buyer agents/brokers explained to their clients they were getting paid from the proceeds of the sale by the listing broker.

Who actually pays the compensation is an interesting point. If there is no sale there is no compensation. So is it the buyer who pays the agreed price who pays all the compensation or the seller who gets a net price less the compensation to the agents/brokers.

Some brokerages decided individually to split the listing commission equally, others not. Everything was negotiable, and brokerages set their own rates, some higher, some lower. In some brokerages even some agents took less commission thanothers, so there was plenty of competition. 

To facilitate all this, MLS companies were set up which allowed agents/brokers to share their listings and how much compensation they were sharing.

When consumers listed their homes they were offered a rate of compensation and negotiated with the agent how much they were willing to pay. Some brokerages had higher rates and were inflexible, other brokerage forms were set up with lower rates. Some firms offered full service, others partial service, more like a do it yourself with our help scenario.

With the advent of the internet, all this moved from printed books that were published weekly to instant listings. Consumers always asked to negotiate their selling rate, and buyers as time went along began to ask for some of the commission as more buyers came from abroad where they were used to different models of buying and selling real estate.

All along sellers were looking for one certain thing, an agent/broker who could sell their home for the most money, in the period of time they preferred with the best terms available. They relied upon the skill of their agent to negotiate, understand the market, the rules and the processes as they varied from State to State.

Buyers also wanted someone who would represent them, who knew the areas, the homes that were coming on the market, and could guide them to find a home in an area that met their needs. Some wanted to walk to a place of worship, others wanted  good schools, a safe environment. Much of this over time was regulated what an agent/broker could say due to the rules and laws of the state and country so that no one was excluded. Also some things are subjective, what is safe/good for one may not be so for another. But a good agent could direct their client to places where they could find the facts and make up their own minds. 

So, now post the lawsuits what is the situation. As a listing agent not much has really changed, sellers still want the same thing, they will still want to negotiate the compensation and agents can still ask for what they consider they are worth. Some may value themselves higher than others. Like a surgeon, some will have better reputations than others and gain more business. Others may simply have a different motivation and be willing to do the work for a lower rate. But, the agent/broker will still need to explain what they are going to do and how much they will charge, and give advice to the seller about offering anything to the buyer towards their closing costs.

Often in the past, buyer agents/brokers would work with buyers without any contract, often because consumers were wary of signing and committing to any specific agent. However, now as the mist clears we see that buyer agents will be required to have a written agreement before showing any property. Whilst there was a buyer agency agreement it often got signed with all the paperwork when making an offer. Now, it has to be done in advance with a negotiation of compensation and how that compensation is going to get paid. Will it be as a concession from the seller, or like an attorney will the buyer pay a retainer fee at the start?

But buyers still want the same things from their agent, representation, knowledge of the market, listings, schools, guidance on homes, what is good and bad about them, where to find information, negotiation skills, advance knowledge of new listings, access to legal advice if needed, and finally they want personalized service.

I can offer both sellers my experience from 20+ years of real estate, and 40+ years of negotiation. Having served on multiple committees at the state and local level I know the rules and the way things are done. I also know most of the agents/brokers in the market and have built up good relationships over the years doing business with many of them.

So, now you understand the history and the mist has cleared, don't hesitate call me today and let's begin working together to make your real estate goal a reality. Call Nick Vandekar, Selling the Main Line and Chester County with RealtyONEGroup Advocates, office 484-237-2055, cell or text 610-203-4543, Nick@VandekarTeam.com.

 

 

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Nick Vandekar
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Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543
Realty ONE Group Advocates 484-237-2055 - Downingtown, PA
Selling the Main Line & Chester County

 Pennsylvania also has them, so this is not something new for us. I know managers always bemoan the fact that new agents get them signed up front and older agents leave them till later. Nina Hollander, Broker 

May 02, 2024 08:16 AM
Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
"Where There's a Will, There's a Way!"

Hello Nick, I am waiting to the fog to clear and I recall of how the fog was in Pennsylvania.  So hope it clears with time in our business.

 

May 02, 2024 09:02 AM
Eileen Burns 954.483.3912
Trans State Commercial Realty Inc. - Fort Lauderdale, FL
FLorida Real Estate Connector

Thanks for your Challenge submission Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543 😎 For me it's business as usual.  We already have BBA here in Florida.  The only change is mandatory signatures.  Not the end of the world removing compensation rate on MLS.  Stop the madness

May 02, 2024 09:22 AM
Mark Don McInnes, Sandpoint-Idaho
Sandpoint Realty LLC - Sandpoint, ID
North Idaho Real Estate - 208-255.6227

Hello Nick,  yes it is quite the quagmire.  Far above my pay grade and it seems as we move forward only more and more question, and shaking of the head, seem to come about.  M

May 02, 2024 10:12 AM
Carol Williams
Although I'm retired, I love sharing my knowledge and learning from other real estate industry professionals. - Wenatchee, WA
Retired Agent / Broker / Prop. Mgr, Wenatchee, WA

Hi Nick,
Your analogy is quite appropriate regarding the fog clearing and the sun will come out again.

May 02, 2024 11:32 AM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Hello Nick - whilst we wait for the dust to settle (or is it fog lifting?), we (and by that, I mean "me" - "myself" and "I") continue to wait.  This too shall pass...  And then onto the next "crisis".  

May 02, 2024 12:23 PM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Associate Real Estate Broker

The reality is no one that has taken the time and paid the fees to be licensed is going to work for free and both sellers and buyers cannot be so naive as to think that will be the case.

May 02, 2024 03:13 PM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

Good evening Nick,

Very well written, detailed post. In Texas we've had exclusive buyer representation for decades (although a few never got it signed right up front but waited until they found a house). The biggest change will be not being able to insert a commission in the MLS. Buyer agents are not going to work for free and are not going away anytime soon. Now the complicated issue is lack of transparency up front and determining if a seller is offering any compensation or is negotiable on any commission. We will see how long it takes the mist to rise!

May 02, 2024 05:11 PM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Retired Home Stager/Redesign

Hi NickThank you for participating in this month's challenge. I remember many years ago when the term Buyers agent came about. As a consumer/non-agent I had a hard time grasping how this was going to be different from what I'd been accustomed to as a home seller/buyer. 

May 02, 2024 07:05 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Oh, I'm with you 100% on all of your points, Nick (of course)! We were seller sub-agents here in NC & SC until our customers became our clients via a signed Contract (BBA). Using the "Working with Real Estate Agents" (agency Disclosure) included sharing this information and THAT form, HAD to be signed prior to Offer submission...and truly from the very beginning of our relationship. 

The BAA meant we exclusively represented them and that is how it SHOULD be. Sellers have always known that their agent's brokerage paid a part of their charge to the buyer's agent - as written in the CONTRACT with them (Listing Agreement)! 

As for the attorneys...you're SO right - they are the ONLY ones making money in this debacle! While we are 'business as usual' in my two states, we STILL receive multiple questions daily. 

GREAT post and thank you so much for participating in this month's challenge, Nick!

May 02, 2024 08:32 PM
Leanne Smith

Yeppers this is about the lawyers making big bucks and the attempt to bring all real estate sales under the control of the feds.

May 03, 2024 05:34 AM
Brian England
Ambrose Realty Management LLC - Gilbert, AZ
MBA, GRI, REALTOR® Real Estate in East Valley AZ

It seems like politics to me and politics ruin just about everything which is why I despise politics, haha.

May 03, 2024 04:48 AM
Leanne Smith
Dirt Road Real Estate - Golden Valley, AZ
The Grit and Gratitude Agent

Good morning Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543 your historical review is one of the better ones I have read.  Also enjoyed this wasn't about "you," but rather educating the public. And yet how your crafted it allowed folks to know you and begin to trust you. Very well done.

May 03, 2024 05:33 AM
Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543
Realty ONE Group Advocates 484-237-2055 - Downingtown, PA
Selling the Main Line & Chester County

Will Hamm I think the fog is clearing as we all get over the shock and begin looking at how we move forward. There are many benefits to this, we just have to see them. none of us likes change, but sometimes the results can be better than what we had.

Eileen Burns 954.483.3912 I agree, we have had BBA in PA and it is more a matter of now saying to clients, I have to by law have this signed before I can show you a home.

Mark Don McInnes, Sandpoint-Idaho I think it depends, it is not that difficult, but it is a matter of looking for the positives.

Carol Williams thank you, I appreciate that encouragement.

Michael Jacobs none of us like change, when it happens it feels like a crisis, but it sometimes results in a better situation.

 

May 03, 2024 06:00 AM
Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543
Realty ONE Group Advocates 484-237-2055 - Downingtown, PA
Selling the Main Line & Chester County

Ed Silva, 203-206-0754 I think when the industry begins asking for retainers the consumer will realize that a lot more. they have become used to making use of agents for their own enjoyment.

Dorie Dillard Austin TX I also see that as the biggest challenge and am not really sure why the courts were so determined to remove the ability of the seller to offer a concession. That being said, concessions can be displayed in the MLS.

Kathy Streib and that was exactly why it was needed. Because you thought you were being represented when you were not. I think this in hindsight will be looked at as a good thing, but change is always difficult.

Debe Maxwell, CRS thank you, I appreciate it, after writing it I thought it may not be what you were looking for, but I feel consumers need to know the history of how we got here.

Endre Barath, Jr. I think they do, which is why so many want to see houses but don't want to sign any documentation. Until we all start charging retainer fees that will wake up the consumer that this is how we make our living.

 

May 03, 2024 06:06 AM
Debe Maxwell, CRS

It was EXACTLY what we were looking for, Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543! GREAT entry!

May 04, 2024 08:41 PM
Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543
Realty ONE Group Advocates 484-237-2055 - Downingtown, PA
Selling the Main Line & Chester County

Brian England I do not think politics was behind the lawsuits, but there is definitely politics behind the dept of justice pursuing NAR, and that has occurred under all administrations.

Leanne Smith thank you very much, I appreciate the compliment.

May 03, 2024 06:07 AM
Mike McCann Broker - Mach1 Realty
Mike McCann - Broker, Mach1 Realty Broker-Auctioneer Serving Nebraska - Kearney, NE
ALL Types of Property For Sale 308-627-3700

Hi Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543   I learned at least 4 things from your blog article and the ensuing comments:

1. It is mostly business as usual at this point for most...my company included.

2. We most all agree that attorneys will make a ton of money...and it is usually them who are cussing us because of jealousy.

4. You do a much better job than I do at responding individually to the folks that leave comments.

3. The length of your blog is longer than the ones I wrote...and yet folks still read it!!

Me included.  Have a great weekend.  Mike

May 03, 2024 06:35 AM
Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543  Buyers and sellers are the ones who are confused. They understand at least everyone I have spoken to. The only thing that confused them was why the news was saying what they were reporting.

How many people will refuse to sign a document before viewing a home? 

 

May 03, 2024 05:20 PM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Retired Home Stager/Redesign

May 04, 2024 06:53 PM
Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Oswego, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Good morning Nick. Sellers are interested in one thing, the net. Buyers are interested in how much cash they need and how much they can finance. Attorneys are interested in their fee and covering costs. After the attorneys cover their costs and get their fee, the confusion they caused does not matter unless another suit may be forthcoming. Enjoy your day.

May 05, 2024 06:04 AM
Nick Vandekar, 610-203-4543
Realty ONE Group Advocates 484-237-2055 - Downingtown, PA
Selling the Main Line & Chester County

Mike McCann Nebraska Land Broker thank you, yes, I thought it was way to long, and am surprised that people read the whole thing. I appreciate your comments.

Hannah Williams we now have to explain to them we cannot show them a house without them signing a representation agreement by law. And I know the argument that some will, but I think it will change very quickly.

Kathy Streib thank you.

Wayne Martin I am sure that somewhere along the way another suit will come because some young attorney has worked out a way to make more money.

May 06, 2024 05:56 AM