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The Death Of The Down Payment Assistance Program??

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Mortgage and Lending with Branch Manager NMLS 557050

I am shocked at the posts today on Active Rain.  A major shock wave was sent through our industry with the potential to dramatically hurt us all, yet all I see today are the "same old, same old" posts.

Buried in today's overwhelming Senate passing of the Housing Bill was language that will end private down payment assistance programs like Nehemiah and AmeriDream.

Based on the lack of anger and protest coming from here, I will have to assume that not everyone's business is so reliant on FHA today.   

This year, at least 50% of my business has been FHA and at least 75% of these loans came with some portion of the down payment being gifted by the seller through a down payment assistance program.

If the House votes for this bill as well, and its certainly not guaranteed they won't, that will be THE END of 100% financing for nearly all of our clients.

"We are extremely disappointed and astonished by the full Senate's decision to ban privately-funded down payment assistance programs through the passage of its Housing Bill. This decision turns a blind eye to the overwhelming success of these programs and their role in helping hundreds of thousands of working families become homeowners," said the CEO of Nehemiah.

100,000's of families take advantage of these programs.   Without the availability of this program, the opportunity for home ownership will disappear for many more families.  First-time homebuyers and minorities will be most seriously affected.  One-third of all FHA loans today have some form of down payment assistance.

According to HUD, borrowers who take advantage of down payment assistance programs are 3 times more likely to go into default than regular loans.

Backed by President Bush, HUD has been trying for over a year now to end these programs, and victory could be near.

A congressman from Texas was quoted last week, before today's vote, as saying, "You'll have enormous pressure from the Realtor and builder communities to not touch this thing."

If you use the silence from Active Rain as an example, apparently not.  

There is a lot wrong with the Housing Bill but the worse part was this part of legislation.  

If we don't speak up, as an industry, before this Bill hits the floor of the House, we will all likely see, yet another, dramatic decline in business.

UPDATE 7/23/2008:   The House passed the Bill today.  My understanding is the last day for down payment assistance programs will be September 30, 2008.

Keith Webb
Guardant Investments, Inc. - Fullerton, CA
GRI

I agree with Kathy Hyatt and those that believe if someone cannot save 3% for a down payment they are already over their head financially and not capable of owning a home YET.    People need to realize that home ownership is not an entitlement right but something to be earned.

Jul 16, 2008 04:16 AM
Keith Webb
Guardant Investments, Inc. - Fullerton, CA
GRI

I agree with Kathy Hyatt and those that believe if someone cannot save 3% for a down payment they are already over their head financially and not capable of owning a home YET.    People need to realize that home ownership is not an entitlement right but something to be earned.

Jul 16, 2008 04:16 AM
Eric Frederick
Eric at Eagle Nationwide Mortgage Co. - Phoenix, AZ

The part that is amazing to me is how quickly we are jumping from one side to the other.  Whatever happened to intermediary steps and seeing if they work?  Nehemiah has been around for 10 years or so, and historically has been a great program that helps good people get into good loans that can't save the down payment.  (And I understand the comments of if you can't save 3% you shouldn't be in a home, but really, here in AZ where the average home price is in the $200,000-ish range for something near the city core, that's a lot different than other parts of the country where you're able to buy homes for $75,000-$100,000.  Assuming people are able to save $200 per month over and above their budgeted expenses, that's 30 months of savings--2 and 1/2 years more of renting instead of homeownership.)

For instance, why not require people who utilize Nehemiah/Ameridream/DPA to attend a HUD counseling seminar where the counselor goes over a budget with them.  Why not create an automatic withdrawal plan where the rate and payment are lower if the payment is withdrawn right from their checking account each month?  Why not require two months reserves over a 60 day period (that way it can be a gift, but a long term gift instead of just dumping it in there to qualify for the loan). 

Once these or any other incremental ideas are implemented, then we need to WAIT to see what the results are.  You can't take a month of time and create public policy based on the results from that month alone.  I think the market has done a decent job of recognizing changes and has implemented policies based on each lenders experience.  Let the market continue to work with government oversight, not the other way around. 

Jul 16, 2008 11:23 AM
Aaron Gordon
Branch Manager - Las Vegas, NV
Home Loan Consultant - Las Vegas, NV

Keith--- As expressed above, I am in complete diasgreement.   The cost of this belief will be a 20-30% decline in business.   Are you ready for the economic consequences of that?   Housing affects many different industries.   In effect, you would be eliminating the first time homebuyer market.  

Eagle--- You make excellent points and your comments should be its own post.   You dont throw away the baby with the bath water.   

How about simply making the borrower add at least 1% of his own funds to the 3% gift?   It may be tough for some, but that simple contribution will make them more committed and build a bit more equity.

Jul 16, 2008 02:27 PM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

I sent my objections in to my 2 senators.  Democrat Bill Nelson to paraphrase said that there is a higher default rate for people who buy using these programs, so they need to be ended.  He just doesn't get it. The low income neighborhoods will end up either being completely blighted or owned by a bunch of landlords.

Jul 20, 2008 01:50 AM
Aaron Gordon
Branch Manager - Las Vegas, NV
Home Loan Consultant - Las Vegas, NV

Rob--- Its great that you started a conversation with your Senator!   Here is all of the data on it.   You should dissect and send it to him. 

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/08-1356.htm

As you will read.  Nearly 4 out of every 10 FHA loans uses a DPA.  And even though the default rate is twice as high as when someone makes the down payment themself, you can clearly see a dropoff in this default rate when the credit scores are below 620.

In my opinion they have two choices.  Get rid of 40% of their business and destroy the first time and minority home buying market at a time the economy cannot afford it.

Or get rid of the program for borrowers with scores under 620, or at least put in serious risk based pricing below 620 and additional insurance in order to help cover the potential losses from these borrowers.

Jul 20, 2008 03:51 AM
Anonymous
Advocate for DPA

I work for a DPA.  We are not a sham program. We operate on next to nothing. Working for a non profit program is hard, but I feel a sense of accomplishment when someone gets in a home because of our program. An employee had a friend us our program with no problems.  Our fee is minimal at $295.00 for up to 6% of the sales price. It's a good honest program.  www.fhap.org

Check it out.  The dpa's are needed now more than ever.

Please support DPA's.

thanks!      

Jul 21, 2008 04:26 AM
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Anonymous
Advocate for DPA

I work for a DPA.  We are not a sham program. We operate on next to nothing. Working for a non profit program is hard, but I feel a sense of accomplishment when someone gets in a home because of our program. An employee had a friend us our program with no problems.  Our fee is minimal at $295.00 for up to 6% of the sales price. It's a good honest program.  www.fhap.org

Check it out.  The dpa's are needed now more than ever.

Please support DPA's.

thanks!      

Jul 21, 2008 04:27 AM
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Cheri Smith
Prudential Gary Greene, Cypress TX - Cypress, TX
Realtor Prudential Gary Greene

I will be honest with you. I am against DPAs. I am against 100% financing.

I don't believe it is financially smart or responsible for anyone to buy a home when they can't even save a small down payment. I don't care if you make it 1%. They should have to learn how to save, budget and buy WITHIN THEIR price range.

The current fiasco was caused by people buying too much house. They never learned debt management, they were trying to keep up with the Joneses and not enough thought was put into them handling their finances down the road.

Does this hurt some agents and brokers, yes, maybe, but we can adjust.

It was irresponsible of us to give these people fish and not teach them how to fish for themselves. Now we all suffer because of it.

Jul 21, 2008 11:05 AM
Cyd Weeks
Palmcoasting.com Real Estate Corp - Palm Coast, FL
Realtor Palm Coast, Fl

Yeah, well, go tell that to a Vet.   I'm amazed at what I'm reading here.  Absolutely amazed.  You actually think that this 'crisis' was caused by people who didn't have money down?  Wow.

 

Jul 21, 2008 02:26 PM
Aaron Gordon
Branch Manager - Las Vegas, NV
Home Loan Consultant - Las Vegas, NV

Advocate - Thanks for the input and keep up the good work.

Cheri--- I think 1% or even the 1.5% that was being talked about is a good alternative.   However, 3% is simply too much.   The most surprising thing I have learned in the loan business these past years is how little money people have.  

3% for down payment and 3% or so for closing costs would impact the real estate business far more than it has already been impacted.  You would see an immediate 20-30% decline in business.

Cyd--- Excellent point!!!   VA has been offering 100% financing forever with low default rates.   It really does show you how "honor" makes a difference in the borrower.

Jul 21, 2008 03:02 PM
Ron Withers ----Retired Mortgage Professional
Kissimmee, FL

Aaron,

Efforts to abolish seller funded down payment assistance programs has been ongoing for many years.  It appears that it is very close to becoming a reality now.

While I have not been active with these seller funded programs I have been very active in State Mortgage Revenue Bond programs as well as local city and county SHIP (State Housing Initatives Partnership) which are local municipality programs. While Florida is quite active in this area other States may not be.  Market conditions and constraints are starting to impact these.  LO's wanting to participate in this aspect of service should look into the State and Local programs.

Jul 22, 2008 12:10 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

'Cyd--- Excellent point!!!   VA has been offering 100% financing forever with low default rates.   It really does show you how "honor" makes a difference in the borrower.'

Being a member of the USMC from 1962-1968 I have to agree with Aaron's above reply.   VA has provided 100% financing with a low default rate for many years to a specific group who have in essence qualified.  Don't forget these guys had a salary of less than $200 a month (Plus food and shelter if you want to include C-rations and tents). Sort of hard to save for a down payment and the program is justified to men who have  put their lives on the line.   Now trying to make the same benefits available to everyone is a mistake.  Sure, some deserving family's will have to wait a little but meanwhile if they can't save ANY money, how will they maintain the expenses of a home?

Jul 22, 2008 01:37 AM
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Cheri Smith
Prudential Gary Greene, Cypress TX - Cypress, TX
Realtor Prudential Gary Greene

Cyd, my ex husband is a Vet, he just bought his 3rd house. He started out as a Peon and he's now like an E-9. He's been in the military for 20 years. My uncles were vets and all homeowners, my grandfathers were vets, all homeowners.

Any vet that isn't a homeowner is not doing something right. Not getting answers where answers exist.

Jul 24, 2008 05:37 AM
Cheri Smith
Prudential Gary Greene, Cypress TX - Cypress, TX
Realtor Prudential Gary Greene

Aaron, people do have little money. No one saves anymore. You have people who make $30,000 a year driving $30,000 cars.

People have to come back to REALITY.

Our parents and grandparents didn't have everything they have now in their 20s. But now 20 year olds expect to have it all right away.

You have people struggling to pay their debts and their kids all have cell phones which to them are a NECESSITY? How did we all survive our childhoods with no cell phones?

My cousin on welfare buys her kids the latest and greatest Playstation every time they come out. In my household growing up we didn't even have a VCR until I was almost 14 years old and my mom was never on welfare!

It's about financial responsibility to me and what is a need versus a want. It's about realism. Having realistic expectations.

Everything is labeled a disease these days so let's call this the Financial disease.

Jul 24, 2008 05:45 AM
Aaron Gordon
Branch Manager - Las Vegas, NV
Home Loan Consultant - Las Vegas, NV

Cheri--- I agree wholeheartedly.   We are a nation that runs on debt.  We have a goverment that runs on debt.   And yet everyone thinks its A-OK.   

And thats what makes this decision by Congress even more frustrating.   They are punishing Main Street for the sins of Wall Street at the risk of the entire housing market declining further.

I was with a group of agents today discussing this and one said that she felt we should make down payment assistance users (husband and wife if a family) attend a day-long class where they learn the financial responsibilities of homeownership, discuss their debts and income, and truly see if this will work for them.   

It may sound silly but its an excellent idea because I would be willing to bet that only about 70% would show up.    The other 30% would lose their deals and we would know who is committed and who isnt.

 

Jul 24, 2008 03:42 PM
Heather Fitzgerald
REALTY WORLD-Harbert Company, Inc. - Greenwood, IN
REALTOR Greenwood Indiana Real Estate

Steve Harless has a great blog regarding this.  Log on and DO SOMETHING *********EVERYONE WHO IS IN FAVOR OF DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE-WE NEED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND ASAP.

If this isn't a featured post, it as well as Steve Harless's blog about this needs to be front page each day on here until that bill goes into effect so we can try to get something done.

Aug 05, 2008 12:19 PM
Dione Sage
Nova Home Loans - Gilbert, AZ

Aaron, I am curious as to what people think now. I have signed every petition I could when people were fighting this and still continuing to try and fix this mistake...so many thought this was a scam that should be done away with.....but now the feed back that I often get is "Isn't there any assistance?" Grants & Bonds are great (when the monies are available) but that doesn't make things better or help out the majority of Qualified borrowers. Qualified in the sense that they can afford the monthly mortgage payment, have a little saved up for the new adjustment of homeownership and still make enough to pay all other bills the just dont havebut the amount needed for the down payment...I think we are and will continue to see "quick fixes" that are a huge mistake and cause more damage in the future unless they just stop! Stop passing things they dont read or dont understand!!!

Oct 22, 2008 05:16 PM
Aaron Gordon
Branch Manager - Las Vegas, NV
Home Loan Consultant - Las Vegas, NV

Dione--- I agree but DPA is dead and gone.   It may return in the next administration but probably not because of all of the heat each Party has taken with their role in "Fannie / Freddie."  

How in the world can a member of Congress now stand up and vote for 100% financing after the media scrutiny of the last few months???  I just dont see it.

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