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Battle Over Commission

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Silver Hill Realty

In the the glorious state of New Jersey "Price Fixing" is illegal.  You cannot force a company to have a set commission rate.  Now you are probably wondering why any company would accept anything less that 6% for their commission.  There are various reasons and I am not against any company that offers discount brokerage, but you have to understand how that whole concept got started:

  1. Strong sellers market
  2. Rise is avg home price.
  3. Stick a sign in the yard & its sold.
  4. Make thousands of dollars doing so.
  5. Everybody wants to be a realtor.

It seemed so easy to be a real estate agent and get paid money for doing virtually nothing.  Sellers were not seeing value in our services and to their defense, some of them were not getting any.  The market was so hot that the mls was the only tool that you needed and if you threw a lot of "stuff" on the wall, something was bound to stick. 

Well thats no longer the case and times have changed.  Many of the "discount brokers" are long gone, especially the king of 3% commissions who will remain nameless.  Just my personal opinion, but i provide my clients with top quality service and because of this, I deserve to get paid top dollar.  Makes sense to me.  my standard is 3% on a co-op nothing less.

Now to get to the crux and the whole crux of the matter... 

I submit an offer the other day and it has my 3% commission in there, signed by me "Agent for buyer".  The agent blows me off and tells me that the MLS says 2.5% for co-op brokers.  I inform her that I have a buyers agreement that states my 3% must be in there.  The agent informs me that its illegal for me to do that and her seller wont pay it.  She has to see something with the buyers signature on it.  Just do your job already and persent the offer to your seller with the 3% or we will go elsewhere.  She was addamit about the signature as if to imply I was doing something illegal without the consent of my client, so I had my client sign and resubmit the offer.

We go back and forth negotiating and they finally accept our offer, only to go back to the commission.  The agent informs me now that we reached a number, the commission is only going to be 2.5%.  "No deal" I say, "Thats illegal and I can report you to the board" she says, your buyer has to be the one to say so.  Next thing I know she get her broker on the phone and we are back to the beginning.  She is explaining to me that what I am doing is illegal and not in the best interest of my buyer and I could lose my license.  I inform her that she doesn't know what she is talking about.  Not only am I a broker, but an instructor as well.  She wants to see my buyers agreement, which isn't necessary because she already has the offer signed by the buyer, but we're in America and you don't have to be wrong to get sued so I send it to her anyway.

They call me back 15 minutes later and give me the "what about your client", "do the right thing", "do you care about your client or the money" speech.  The agent slipped and told me she had never even told her client about the 3% commission, so that may kill the deal.  I told her i would talk to my client, but I doubt it.  To add insult to injury she sent me an article with her point underlined about being ethical and fair to the client.  I read the entire article and it proved my point even more.  I called my client and he completely agreed with me and backed me as far as getting my commission. 

The next morning the agent called me and told me she spoke with her client and if I had to get my 3% then it would come out of her commission, but we had a deal.  I spoke to my client, fine with him, fine with me.  We get contracts and notice that the property is listed on the MLS and they dropped it to the price we negotiated to...

What are your thoughts about this?

1. Do you think there was anything wrong about what I did?

2. Do you think there was anything wron with what the agent did?

3. How do you handle discounted listings?

Russ Ravary ~ Metro Detroit Realtor call (248) 310-6239
Real Estate One - Commerce, MI
Michigan homes for sale ~ yesmyrealtor@gmail.com

I think you are somewhat putting your interests before your clients.  In Michigan If the listing says 2.5 when you show it that is what you get.  If you only want 3% then you should only show 3% houses.  I show them all.  A half percent now and then doesn't kill me.  I am working for the client and it is honest and ethical to show them all the houses.  Even the ones that I don't make as much on.

Jul 25, 2008 02:30 PM
Richard Mielke
RE/MAX Results - Gettysburg, PA
REALTOR, Gettysburg Pennsylvania Real Estate

Here if I show a house that pays 2.5 and my buyer broker agreement says 3, the buyer pays the difference. I usually don't make the buyer pay the difference. The co-op offered is decided between the seller and the listing broker, I nor my buyer is a party to that.

Jul 25, 2008 02:40 PM
Lou Ludwig
Ludwig & Associates - Boca Raton, FL
Designations Earned CRB, CRS, CIPS, GRI, SRES, TRC

Harry

The commissions on a listing are negotiated between the seller and the listing broker. If companies agree to set a "standard" commission in the market they would in violation of the federal anti trust laws.  The percentage of commission to be paid to the co-broker is in the listing agreement and listed and disclosed in the MLS. A broker working the buyer  doesn't have the right to change the rate of commission that's listed in the MLS.

Good luck and success

Lou Ludwig

Jul 25, 2008 02:46 PM
Shar Rundio
Realty Executives - Mesa, AZ
Phoenix Metro Area

Harry, here in AZ we aren't allowed to include commission in the purchase contract.  The same as stated above, it is a contractual agreement between the seller and their agent.  It really isn't even your place to bring it up.  That practice is really being cracked down on here.  The buyer broker only means that the buyer will make up the difference in what the advertised commission is and your agreed upon amount not the seller or the seller's agent.   The listing agent really should make her clients aware that by discounting her commission she is also discounting the commission of the buyer's agent as well.  I'm sure that's not what they had in mind when they negotiated a lower rate.  Not particularly right on either side if you ask me. 

Jul 25, 2008 04:26 PM
Kirk Westervelt
Van West Realty - Greenville, SC Realtor -Short Sale Expert! - Greenville, SC
Kirk Westervelt, Broker In Charge, Van West Realty - CDPE - Short Sale Agent - Home for Sale - Greenville, Simpsonvil...

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Jul 25, 2008 05:21 PM
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Jul 26, 2008 01:17 AM
Keith Elliott Jr
KEIRE Realty Group - Manassas, VA
Principal Broker/Owner

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-Keith

Jul 26, 2008 02:23 AM
Crystal Corr
Keller Williams Greenville Central - Simpsonville, SC

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Jul 26, 2008 11:28 AM
Bill Dunn
Elite Realty Group - Paducah, KY

I'm a new agent in my second year. I have had the unfortunate experience of battling over the coop commission. Back in January we started a discounted commission offer that only ran for 4 months. The coop was less than half the total commission at the time - at the direction of my broker. I received a lot of grief from other agents over it. This issue wasn't something I was expecting as a new agent. Several of the seasoned agents said that the other agents wouldn't show the properties that had the discounted listings. They were right and the other agents around town weren't afraid to tell me that.

We eventually split the commission half and half but still at the discounted commission. The other agents still weren't happy. They were accustomed to a specific coop commission and if they didn't get that amount they wouldn't show the property, and again, let me know.

Since then, I've asked my clients to increase the commission to our standard rate. We don't offer the disconted commission anymore but my broker will let me do that if I want. All of my clients increased the commission after I explained the situation except one.

I am familar with the purchase offer contracts used by two local boards in my area. One of them makes no mention of the coop commission but one of them does. I understand, and agree, that the contract that allows a buyer's agent to write in his commission his wrong, but it hasn't been changed.

It is my personal opinion that what you did was wrong but your state laws may be different from mine. If you weren't happy with the commission you should have asked the listing broker to change it before showing that listing to your client. If they didn't give you the answer you wanted then don't show it.

Jul 26, 2008 12:22 PM
Harry DaBroker
Silver Hill Realty - Willingboro Township, NJ

Hi Bill

I see your point, and I did start off doing that, but what is the point of debating with the listing agent about commission when your client may not even want the property anyway?  it was a waste of time.  and had the seller not wanted to pay it, my client gladly would have.  Please look at the update I did to this story as I think I omitted a few key details.

Jul 26, 2008 12:45 PM
Ted Mackel
Keller Williams Realty Simi Valley - Simi Valley, CA
Simi Valley Real Estate Agent

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Jul 28, 2008 02:08 PM
Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

I believe strongly in the thought that you get what you pay for, and that price is only an issue in the absence of value.

Feb 23, 2017 12:45 AM