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How Much Would You Pay This Painter? And I use the term "painter" loosely

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Real Estate Agent with Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker DRE #00697006

painter I will never recommend to anybody in Land Park

How much would you pay this slacker?

Let me back-track. He came over to begin a job a week ago Saturday that I wanted finished that weekend. This was Day 6 of my Land Park home kitchen remodel. He argued with me because I wanted a primer and two coats of paint when he wanted to do one coat.

He hung around for 3 to 4 hours, taping things off and making a general mess of stuff, including painting over the door trim and baseboards, which I had already painted and finished. Then he abruptly left, promising to return on Monday.

Sloppy paint job in Land Park

Monday he called to say he'd be over at 2 PM on Tuesday and then never came back nor called.

So, I hired another painter that evening who finished the job the following day.

Yesterday (7 days later), the painter called and demanded 50% of the $500 job estimate. The second painters charged me $485 to finish up the job correctly and caulk.

My second painter says the first painter is not licensed as a contractor. He further says I do not need to pay the first painter anything at all.

Now, I disagree with that statement. Sure, the first painter is definitely a slacker and screw up, but after all, he did prime the kitchen and he tried -- even though he failed -- to give it a first coat of paint. He did cost me more money because I had to pay to fix the trim and baseboards he messed up, which were in perfect condition before.

My second painter offered to call the first painter on my behalf to discuss payment, except the first painter does not answer his cell for this guy. So, I called the first painter last night to explain I wanted him to talk with the second painter before we determine payment. Honestly, the guy sounded drunk. He became argumentative, so I hung up.

I want to be fair. I also want him out of my hair, so I'm tempted to give him the $250 he did not earn. What would you do?

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Elizabeth Weintraub is co-partner of Weintraub & Wallace Team of Top Producing Realtors, an author, home buying expert at The Balance, a Land Park resident, and a veteran real estate agent who specializes in older, classic homes in Land Park, Curtis Park, Midtown, Carmichael and East Sacramento, as well as tract homes in Elk Grove, Natomas, Roseville and Lincoln. Call Elizabeth Weintraub at 916.233.6759. Put our combined 80 years of real estate experience to work for you. Broker-Associate at RE/MAX Gold. DRE License # 00697006.

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Don Fabrizio-Garcia
Fab Real Estate - Danbury, CT
Owner/Broker/Trainer - Fab Real Estate

For starters, I would take his photo off of this post...you didn't name him, but you did use his photo and use a few names "for" him.  If he was drunk, who's to say he won't see this next time he's drunk and get angry?

Aug 05, 2008 02:43 AM
Colleen Fischesser Northwest Property Shop
NextHome Experience - Chelan, WA
A Tradition of Trust in the Pacific NW since 1990!

Wow, what a pain in the neck! I'm a pushover and would want the problem to go away, so I'd probably do the $250. But perhaps the other painter could negotiate that while still giving you some peace of mind that the problem won't resurface (angry calls?) in the future.

Aug 05, 2008 02:43 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Hi Jim: I didn't give him any money upfront. I've learned the hard way about that.

Hi David: If I offered him $100 in cash vs. $250 in a check, I suspect he'd prefer the higher amount.

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Aug 05, 2008 02:44 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Aw, Don, you can't even make him out in the photo. :) I doubt he owns a computer.

Hi Colleen: See, I suspect we think alike.

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Aug 05, 2008 02:45 AM
Paula Swayne
Dunnigan, Realtors, Sacramento (916) 425-9715 - Sacramento, CA
Realtor-Land Park, East Sac & Curtis Park -Dunniga

I think I am with David.  He hasn't earned the money he quoted.  Now, taping off areas is no picnic and he did try...so maybe a middle ground.  If you think he was halfway through his job, then yes...I would pay him the $250.  If he wasn't, I would pay him whatever percentage of the job you thought he did finish.

Aug 05, 2008 02:47 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Hi Paula: Well, I think $20 an hour is generous. Times 2 guys times 4 hours = $160. He did buy the primer, so another ten bucks. Then we're quibbling about $80. Is that worth the hassle? But I am very interested in what everybody else thinks, so thanks for responding.

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Aug 05, 2008 02:53 AM
Sean Allen
International Financing Solutions - Fort Myers, FL
International Financing Solutions

Rut roh...... I would pay him what he deserves and then move on with it. Chaulk it up to a lesson learned.

Sean Allen

Aug 05, 2008 02:58 AM
Sean Allen
International Financing Solutions - Fort Myers, FL
International Financing Solutions

OH..... You should be glad he covered most stuff with that plastic. Just think of the mess you might have had if he had NOT covered the counter top and other areas. 

Sean Allen

 

Aug 05, 2008 02:59 AM
Rich Mielke
REMAX Results, Frederick MD - Frederick, MD
REALTOR, Frederick Maryland Real Estate

I am not sure how much I would pay him, but all the painters I have ever hired wore coveralls, not shorts and sandals, and mostly used dropcloths and not alot of taping off around trim. I asked one painter about having to mask trimwork and he told me a good painter with a steady hand and a cloth in the other doesn't need to mask off. Now if he were using a sprayer (like some homebuilders do on new construction) I could see masking off everything.

Aug 05, 2008 03:21 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Hi Sean: So how much do you think he deserves?

Hi Rich: The painters I know rarely use masking tape because it doesn't leave a straight line -- even blue painter's tape can pull paint off the wall -- and a painter doens't really need it. A good brush and steady hand will do the job right every time.

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Aug 05, 2008 06:07 AM
Debi Ernst
St. Charles County, Missouri - Prudential Alliance Realtors - O'Fallon, MO
GRI, e-PRO, Broker/Sales Associate

Elizabeth - I think I agree with Paula.  You mentioned "$160".  Is $80 worth the hassle?  I think so.  It's the principle of the thing...   :)

Aug 05, 2008 06:12 AM
Jesse Clifton
Jesse Clifton & Associates - Fairbanks, AK

Gracious.... I would offer him the $160 you calculated for his time and let that be it.  He should be happy he's getting that much.  He cost you time ad effort to fix his screw ups... your time is worth something.  Heck, I might knock it down to $100 and call it good...but certainly no more than the $160.

Aug 05, 2008 06:16 AM
The Bartley Group SouthEast MN Real Estate
Coldwell Banker Home Connection - Owatonna, MN

Elizabeth, I think you need to come to a resolution with this guy.  The last thing you need is some kind of contractor lien on the property.

Aug 05, 2008 06:46 AM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

I would tell him I will give hie the 250 minus whatit cast for his sloppy work on the trim.  Then hand him a bill fo the balance!

Aug 05, 2008 06:50 AM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

I'd go ahead and pay him the $250.  Spiteful people can do lots of damage that might end up costing you more.  I believe you said he was recommended by some other worker?  You learned a valuable lesson.  You should have stuck with the painters that you knew and this $250 lesson will let you never forget it.  Besides, feel sorry for him.  He has no skills and he has to buy groceries and eat.  He did try. 

I had a house to fix up, REO, and hired these guys on someone's recommendation.  They taped and sprayed everything with flat paint.  It was awful but they were proud of it.  I paid them and just silently thought "never again". 

Aug 05, 2008 08:52 AM
C Tann-Starr
Tann Starr & Associates, Inc. - Palm Bay, FL

Elizabeth, I would pay him the $250 by check with a "paid in full" notation. (He needs to be gone from your life.) Besides, you appear to get along well with his relative. You may need the relatives services again and  he may feel that he owes you because the kid botched the job after he recommended him. Leverage it, girlfriend. 

Aug 05, 2008 09:48 AM
Dave Philipp
Lyon Real Estate - Sacramento, CA

Elizabeth,

In the first place he bid the job at $500 and worked only 3-4 hours. Do you think he was worth $62.50 an hour? That would be $250 divided by 4 hours. In the second place if he didn't complete the project why would you pay him? You agreed that the project was worth $500, it cost you $485 to finish it and so at the most you owe him $15. Personally I wouldn't pay him that either as he caused delay and you had to invest time in finding a replacement. He's 19, his parents apparently have never taught him to do the right thing, don't make that your problem.

Dave

Aug 05, 2008 10:31 AM
Kathy Passarette
Creative Home Expressions - Mount Sinai, NY
L.I. Staging/Decorating

Elizabeth ~ I don't know - I'm thinking he should be paying you!  I think $250.00 is too much, especially since he did not provide satisfactory work, show up when he said he would, and then argued with you.  His customer service skills are obviously non-existent.  I would think about the $100.00, but wouldn't pay more than the $160.00 mentioned.

Aug 05, 2008 11:33 AM
Angelia Garcia
Pure Realtors - Dallas, TX

Let him take you to small claims court and see what he gets. Probably not much.

Aug 05, 2008 11:54 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

I took your suggestion, C, and paid him the $250 with a "paid in full for kitchen painting" in the memo field. It just wasn't worth the hassle. I also called his dad and told him his son did not earn that money, and ordinarily, I would not pay him a one red cent because he did a lousy job.

I appreciate all the comments, though. This painter is sort of a loose cannon, and while it's not nice to reward nasty behavior, it's also not wise to tick off those kind of weirdos. Plus, my time is worth more than going to court over such trivial stuff. It's my fault for not checking out this guy. :(

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Aug 08, 2008 01:24 PM