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Mortgages and Aging... An Epic struggle: Part 1, Credit Issues for Seniors

By
Real Estate Agent with THE PODGURSKY GROUP @ Re/Max Direct

Credit Scores are fickle things.  The real way to think of them is that they are a quantitative measure of how you are able to manage your debts. 

With that in mind, many seniors are having big issues with credit scores because many of them HAVE NO DEBT. 

How is this possible??

For years and years, people scrimped and saved for retirement so that they would have the money they need to live a certain lifestyle for a certain amount of time.  This includes basically having pensions, annuities, retirement plans, Social Security and other passive incomes that are supposed to cover all the costs they could incur.  This is the typical FIXED INCOME mentality.

Seniors on Fixed Incomes are the Seinfeld-esque prototype of "Del Boca Vista", where Jerry's Parents lived.  Jerry Seinfeld came to visit his parents and they were guffawed at the local restaurant for showing up right after the Early Bird Prime Rib Special ended.  They were further made fun of for Jerry's gift of a new Cadillac for his father.

These little splurges are often not possible for Fixed Incomes... and this frugality hurts them in their credit score as well.

Because these seniors are living Pension Check to Pension Check, they seldom utilize the credit building tools at their disposal... namely CREDIT CARDS.  I met a friend's father who drives no more than 2,500 miles a year so he never spends money on GAS but every six weeks!!!

How do they arrive at this lifestyle??

Urban myths?? 1950s Personal Finance Books??

It is actually partially the conservative nature of those born to Depression-Era parents and then their descendents being hit with a ton of responsibility for taking care of the new Floridians from afar. 

Children of these seniors are often strapped themselves with big debts, college tuitions, credit card bills etc that are keeping them from being able to help out.  So they seek out the advice of financial planners to - simply keep their parents' monies safe rather than putting them in the position to make a little more and live a little better.

Yes... their children are keeping them in this position by helping them invest in CDs paying 2% and Municipal Bonds that pay little or nothing...

All this ultra-conservative financial planning has kept them paying with checks at the local grocery stores and really buying little else except for medications.

How can they be helped??

First of all, loosen the belt psychologically.  Wherever you can pay with a check, you can use a credit card and then only write one or two checks a month.  This also helps itemize and consolidate receipts for medication and doctors expenses which can then be used at tax time.

The kids can get online access to Mom and Dad's card accounts (with permission) to make sure that bills are getting paid and that there is no unusual spending.

That is a great place to start.

What else can be done??

Start Adding Mom's to EVERYTHING they own together.  Everything like?

  • All Utility Bills
  • All Deeds
  • All Bank Accounts
  • All Investment Accounts
  • All Life Insurance Policies
  • All Pension Plans
  • All Safety Deposit Boxes
  • and ALL CREDIT CARD ACCOUNTS

Dear old Dad may have thought it was his way of protecting the women-folk by keeping them from worrying about the money matters... but Dear Old Dad wasn't planning for life after he can't take care of himself or after he's gone and Dear Old Mom needs a new car!

And whoever is the "responsible" child in the brood, yeah you know who you are!! You and your sibs need to agree that your name needs to go on Mom and Dad's accounts as a signatory... this way if anything happens someone else has the power to make financial decisions. 

This is Dad's Fault??

Well... more likely it is the fault of Society.  It was just the norm that men worked and dealt with the finances and women worked at home and dealt with the kids.  Right or wrong? No judgement - just sociological trends at play...

Who should we contact for help??

To start... a GOOD estate attorney.  Things need to be very, VERY clear and no one needs to be fighting.  While they're still alive, it is still their money and their life.  A good estate plan will help them live better and avoid issues later. 

Then a GOOD financial planner.  NO!! PUT THEIR BOOKS DOWN... You don't want Uncle Sid, their Accountant of 50 years involved... get them someone that is impartial and someone a little more aggressive.  They need some risk so their returns are better than inflation at least.  They also need more liquidity and CDs and Munis just aren't the way to get that.

After all this, I'm sure a good family counselor will help you and your sibs deal with the in-fighting that has resulted in all this great family together time!

What Else??

That's for Part 2 - for HELOC's sakes!


  Here are Links to the Other Segments:

  1. Introduction
  2. For HELOC's Sakes
  3. Flow Flow Flow the Cash
  4. The Cash in the Mattress vs The Cash in the Walls
  5. If you've got it... Plan it!
  6. As a last resort...

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David A. Podgursky, MBA
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Sandra Williams
Rancon Real Estate - Temecula, CA
What a great post! I have seen this situation over and over. We are the credit card generation and they are the cash generation. My mother (I was raised by a single parent most of my life) never had a credit card! She would say about people---"Honey, don't be too impressed with them living in that big house, you know they don't own that, they are just making payments on it!" She passed away a few years ago but I think your advice for people of that age is perfect!
Mar 23, 2007 06:33 PM
Danny Smith
DISCOVER TEXAS HOMES - Round Rock, TX
Not to ruffle any feathers but as a gentleman rapidly approaching my retirement days I could't disagree with you more on most of these issues. By the way I'm 55..not dead.
Mar 24, 2007 02:19 AM
Cyndee Haydon
Charles Rutenberg Realty - Clearwater, FL
727-710-8035 Clearwater, Beach Short Sales Luxury Condos &Homes
David - great post and I've seen exactly that happen before - talk about another example of unintended consequences. Looking forward to Part II. Have a great day!
Mar 24, 2007 04:01 AM
David A. Podgursky PA
THE PODGURSKY GROUP @ Re/Max Direct - Boynton Beach, FL
THE PODGURSKY GROUP - Make the Right Move!

Danny... well, that's your perspective as part of the baby boomer group... the problem is that you're wrong when you look at the generation just before which you are not a part of

you're 55... we're talking about people in their 70s and older! 

Also -  people as they get older don't always have the same instincts and knowledge as YOU... and I'm not even talking about Real Estate Professionals - those who should already KNOW... I'm talking about our clients and potential clients and our client's parents who DON'T

You're not ruffling feathers... you're looking to myopically at the topic and should be looking at the picture as it pertains to you taking care of your parents in the next 10-15 years!

Mar 25, 2007 03:00 AM
Danny Smith
DISCOVER TEXAS HOMES - Round Rock, TX
I would never under estimate the knowledge that the previous generation has. As matter of fact that may be why there are so many problems and issues because to many people arne't paying attention to their knowledge and ad advice. We have more credit card debt now than ever before and people keep preaching to others to get more. This debt like sub-prime loans will come back to haunt everyone sooner or later. My mom's in her mid 70's only a high school education , no work experience, and she manages her money better than most financial advisor's.
Mar 26, 2007 12:16 AM
David A. Podgursky PA
THE PODGURSKY GROUP @ Re/Max Direct - Boynton Beach, FL
THE PODGURSKY GROUP - Make the Right Move!

I see where you are coming from now!

The big issue that I have with that statement is that your parents and their peers were mostly born at the end of or after the depression - that was a period of great change in the economics of, well, everything!

People were ultracautious and banks were forcing their own rules for corporate governance on the people.  The problem was that the banks that survived were profitting enormously at the expense of the people who were suffering from their conservativism.

We cannot compare the 70+ year olds and what they went through against what people are going through today.  It is a terrible terrible argument. 

The world is 1000% different... the things it takes to make a living are far different as well!  And because of this, the level of debt needed - NEEDED - to survive in this economy are quite different. 

There are plenty of 70+ year olds out there doing well... but there are as many or more NOT doing well.

You can't compare your mom who knows her stuff against the average person.  You mom is a lucky one whose methods worked.  Not everyone's did.  Some people bought conservatively and still lost.   Some people risked everything and won! 

The fact is that we have to reach out to those who are struggling because the past economies do NOT relate to the present and will not relate to the future and help them out.  There are too many people out there saying, "My parents are just fine" to find out 10 years from now that they weren't.

And also... wouldn't you, as a good son, want your mom to live a bit BETTER?  Wouldn't you love it if every once in a while she would treat herself to something she really wants?... most people want that for their parents and unfortunately many seniors get into a "fixed income" mode so quickly that any little luxury that makes their lives better is considered wasted money!

Mar 26, 2007 01:58 AM
Tonisha Mitchell
Dollar Mortgage and Financial - Ocean Springs, MS
Thank you so much for this series of posts! I'm sure many of us have run into a similar situation with older clients. I'm really looking forward to the upcoming posts. This will be great advice to pass on to our clients (w/your permission!).
Mar 26, 2007 02:13 AM
David A. Podgursky PA
THE PODGURSKY GROUP @ Re/Max Direct - Boynton Beach, FL
THE PODGURSKY GROUP - Make the Right Move!
thanks Tonisha!
Mar 26, 2007 02:14 AM